Built for $20,000 Sold for $350,000 .. I'm a critic and here is why.

[Codeman]

Wow just saw this thread. I just love it when someone bashes this idea and doesn't know anything about it. I get it all the time. They think there is no way You could do build like this. Or You have to sink Yourself into huge debt to do it. Thanks Guys for defending LHBA!

[BoFuller]

Wow just saw this thread. I just love it when someone bashes this idea and doesn't know anything about it. I get it all the time. They think there is no way You could do build like this. Or You have to sink Yourself into huge debt to do it. Thanks Guys for defending LHBA!

Codeman, you come out of hibernation? How's it going?

[Codeman]

Tryin to. Gotta get back out to that stack soon!

[drummer boy]

I think I will have one of those scenarios with a small number invested given that land and the trees are given to me. His concerns crossed my mind as I am skeptical but I am smart enough to realize that there are all kinds of factors that are impossible to list on a web page. I appreciate anyone that would give their opinion and concerns. It does show that they are at least thinking. Well....their way of communicating that thinking could probably use a bit of refinement but I appreciate those that are willing to ask questions.

[exsailor]

Spiralsands, one of our members lived in Florida, and saw palm trees fall. They are too fibrious as mentioned and insects devour them in nothing flat. Look to something a bit more substantial.

[jasonfromutah]

After reading this thread for the first time, I keep coming back to two words. And these two words are directed at the Originator:

COMMON SENSE

[thoner7]

I work 14 days on and 7 days off and can't take off during the 14 days unless an extreme emergency. Only holiday is Christmas and even them if duty calls I have to go. Last year I marked my whole schedule for the year on the calendar and watched the class dates with no luck.. The first date that comes up and I'm off I will be the first to sign up for the class.

Yep, I've been in one of those rotational schedules too (mostly "2weeks -on / 2weeks -off" -- oilfields of the Alaskan "North Slope", but also 2 MONTHS on 1 off on some other ultra-remote site stuff). Shame you can't "trade" with someone or have someone cover you for the coupla days. Well, good luck in nailing down a good weekend to take the class, Project.

If either of you know much about working the Texas or OK oil/natgas fields please PM me with some info. Im interested in that field and it sounds like you both may know the deal..

Thanks.

[JJ Jr]

after reading this thread for the first time, i keep coming back to two words. And these two words are directed at the originator:

Common sense

w h a t ????

[loghousenut]

Quote Originally Posted by jasonfromutah "after reading this thread for the first time, i keep coming back to two words. And these two words are directed at the originator:

Common sense"


JJ Jr said "w h a t ????"



JJ, It's a term that Skip invented and it has been defined, and used, in every LHBA class since the beginning of time. It means.... Well, I'm afraid I can't do it justice but it means something like "You already know you want to build your own log home with your own hands. Now that you understand that it is possible, get out there and do it!"

More on this sometime after noon on the first day of class.

[project]

If either of you know much about working the Texas or OK oil/natgas fields please PM me with some info. Im interested in that field and it sounds like you both may know the deal..

Thanks.

Why would you like to know?

[project]

That was supposed to be what would you like to know . Stupid auto correct

[spiralsands]

Spiralsands, one of our members lived in Florida, and saw palm trees fall. They are too fibrious as mentioned and insects devour them in nothing flat. Look to something a bit more substantial.

Huh? I don't want palm trees. I live in Upstate NY and have a forest of pines and hardwoods, about 15 acres, my own to log. You musta been thinking of someone else.

Frances (spiralsands)

[JJ Jr]

Quote Originally Posted by jasonfromutah "after reading this thread for the first time, i keep coming back to two words. And these two words are directed at the originator:

Common sense"


JJ Jr said "w h a t ????"



JJ, It's a term that Skip invented and it has been defined, and used, in every LHBA class since the beginning of time. It means.... Well, I'm afraid I can't do it justice but it means something like "You already know you want to build your own log home with your own hands. Now that you understand that it is possible, get out there and do it!"

More on this sometime after noon on the first day of class.

LHN ____ My old man used the term as far back as WWII-Korean War and he said years ago Gramps used it as an expression of why the Great Depression happened. Being a survivor of the .com meltdown and '07s confirmation that what goes hope shall come down we mostly all know something similar one hopes. By watching things go up around me that again are $2M plus homes it seems not to be applicable to everyone I guess.
Think the new milleniums term might be live within your means vs common sense. Just they don't often practice it.
Attended a "green and build small" workshop some years back now and they used similar expressions.
Both would be correct, if not necessarily specific I guess to whatever.
Heck - I even used common sense last night when youngest said he was looking at an new SUV and comes over all excited about spending $44k and change for somethat that'll look like mine in a year or 2. I would have sold him mine for $12k

I thought there was a missing "something" in the post or it was a continuation of something from somewhere so I was lost at where and why the comment made
in this thread.

[exsailor]

Huh? I don't want palm trees. I live in Upstate NY and have a forest of pines and hardwoods, about 15 acres, my own to log. You musta been thinking of someone else.

Frances (spiralsands)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was referring to the post that you described how long palm trees last on the ground, not that you were building with them.

[Ellsworth]

Necro bump (in my defense, the thread caught my eye today because a webcrawler was indexing it. But I'll likely do a few more.).

Feel free to add content.

Including explaining 'what does JJ mean?"

[Ellsworth]

Disclosure, I have no idea what Ron is referring to by mentioning "JJ."
I've never heard my father utter that line.

At a guess it might stand for "Just Joking."
At a guess it might not stand for "John Johnson." (Just Joking! or 'Which JJ?')

Building a real log home, as an owner-builder, can be the most expensive disaster of your life.
It might also be the kind of hard adventure that changes your life for the better.

Edited to add:
I suppose it could be a reference to 'Jungle Juice.'
I would not be a fan of that reference (in any of its meanings), or maybe I would be (in some or all of them), but now I'm considering it.
It's a phrase I do nor remember from my youth, yet I know it was in use at the time.

[Shark]

I think Ron was just replying to the member JJ Jr....




jandjloghome.blogspot.com

[Ellsworth]

Ahhh, yup, now I read it that way.

I thought he meant Skip said "JJ" in every class.

[Ellsworth]

When I glanced at this thread the first time, here's what I thought JJ was referring to.

Skip saying something like this, on day two of class, near the end:

Now you know, building a log home can be one of the dumbest decisions of your life.

It can ruin you financially.
It can wreck your marriage
It can make your kids hate you.
It can injure or kill someone during the process.
It can take 10x longer than you ever thought possible
Just Joking!

And then Ron's comment would be a natural second bit to that routine:

"You already know you want to build your own log home with your own hands. Now that you understand that it is possible, get out there and do it!"

And then Skip might add:

Just kidding, none of that was a joke

Welcome to life's roller coaster.

The main point being, if the drive is WITHIN you, then all those potential negatives won't hold you back. They can't hold you back.
Because it's your desire that drives you.

[Basil]

I would never tell someone it's easy, that's for sure. I didn't take Skip's advice-"Build as small as you can afford to." I built over 3,000 square feet, with 3,800 square feet of porches and decks. Took every spare minute after work and on weekends for 3 1/2 years. Been living in it for 16 years now, raised a family, and starting to think about selling. Wouldn't go back and change a thing. Come to think of it, I wouldn't go back and do it again either!

[Gman]

peace all!