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    8) If your local inspector sees you do something novel, and do it well, then the rest of your build should go even better.
    If you screw up your relationship with your local inspector over your pier block foundation, it's not too late to sell property with a foundation on it
    (This is half a joke, half reality and some actual psychology. The novel done well always impresses).
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    9) We had a member in WA, one of the Pauls, who built for approx 15 or 20 years. It was his retirement hobby, up in the mountains.
    He's the guy who built a log boom crane.

    He reminds me that some build slow by choice or necessity.

    With piers, a fellow could drive up on a Friday with bags of concrete mix. Spend the weekend mixing and pouring on site and over two days he might have finished three to five piers.

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    10) Making the pier block forms is the second hardest mathematical task of a build (stairs being the first!).

    If you can't do the math, or develop a hack, then perhaps your first course of logs should be cedar.
    Laid upon the ground!

    (Sure, this one is half a joke.)

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    11) Buy your raw land cheap enough so you can break even, if you need to walk away during or right after the foundation phase.
    It might not be the ideal location, if you can't do that.

    Edited to add:
    Opps, this isn't pier specific.
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    To be clear, I'm imaging most of these lessons. A few were articulated by Skip.
    AFAIK, Skip mostly liked piers because the only decent alternative at the time was a traditional stemwall / footer.
    Using pier blocks saved time and money.

    One reason we moved away from piers was because a few jurisdictions (in CA, OR and WA) started requiring a continuous footer under the piers.
    Once you have to do all the excavation, then other options jumped into the hole.

    AFAIK, the only reason some jurisdictions require the footer is so the piers might move in unison during an earthquake.
    If the goal is to hold them in place, in relationship to each other while under seismic loading, then it shouldn't matter if that's done at the top or the bottom of the piers.
    With that constraint, perhaps engineering solutions exist that are cheaper and easier than a traditional footer.

    So my question is this, why not use the wall logs as the 'footers' for a pier block foundation?

    There should be three or more different ways to accomplish that goal.
    It might require some metal components, like brackets, flat iron, et cetera (likely not).
    It might require replacing the rebar that holds the piers to the logs with grade 8 or grade 9 all-thread (approx 25% price difference between rod grades).
    It might require two or three all-thread in each pier.
    It might require square or round piers.

    Edited to add:
    The potential 'hinged movement' that is perpendicular to the log wall could be controlled by adding log beams (approx five to six additional logs on a small cabin build).

    Beams on the interior of structure, stretching from exterior wall to exterior wall, resting atop opposite pier blocks and affixed at both ends with all-thread and rebar.

    Edited to add:
    It might be a simpler system to run a standard log first course, and then adjacent to that run a course of milled 10x12s.

    The milled beams are full length, bolted to the foundation and side spiked (or through bolted) to the adjacent first layer of wall logs.
    The milled beams become the over sized ledger board for the floor joists.

    That double first layer, and multiple pier attachment points, might be enough to prevent hinged movement in all 4 directions.

    Preliminary ideas are over, they might fly as well as a log off a low hill, this will take an engineer.
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