And it would be a violation of the TOS of the forum to boot.
And it would be a violation of the TOS of the forum to boot.
As a whole, the LHBA system (and it is a system) of building, is simplicity at it's core, longevity at it's heart and strength throughout.
Build to your need, and....desire, and.....ability. And be secure in your decision.
http://picasaweb.google.com/parent.j...gHomeBuilding#
That is more in line with where I was going.
edkemper
Class: Valentine's Day weekend 2009
Feel the Bern!
Well I am a family member... to my family. I'm friendly to my friends, neighbors, and just about anyone else I can help. I used to be a boy scout and my sons still are. I'm not trying to help out on a build. I am not trying to find out if like the idea of laboring on someone else's build. All my internet friends know who I am. How many more posts does one need to make, to commit to the LHBA before one can be vetted.
I do understand that there are some folks that won't invite strangers out to the wilderness, but I hope that there are some folks that don't get freaked out inviting strangers over.
If I found the money for the class and went to Vegas for the Labor day weekend, how much less of a sociopath does that make me? Not really that much, it just makes me a sociopath with a little more disposable income.
I find it shocking Timberwolf that viewing a build is a violation of the TOS of this forum... (thanks for the heads up, I checked and found them and rule 28 was being violated), I'm sorry for violating the TOS of this forum, I wonder if I should stop searching the internet for LHBA builds, because I don't want to violate the TOS by looking at pictures of other peoples builds.
Please disregard wanting to see things about build before I'm a full member.
I want to thank those that extended the hand of friendship... I'll return periodically to check for the next class as I won't make it to tho Labor day class.
Thanks for all the time and effort that is put into the site.
C'ya
OUCH!! Guess he told us!
On the other hand I don't invite anyone I don't know to our build. Of course I feel like I know a number of the good folks on here. Just hope w hen we do get to meet they don't turn out to have some other use of all the chainsaws around here!!! LOL. just kidding--I think
Maybe he doesn't realize he's only on the public side of this forum and that there is a member's side that he doesn't see.
No; he fully realizes and understands that there is the members side... but he can't see in that side, or ask questions there, until he has "waited for the class"! Therefore he can not see how much nicer it must be, to ask a question, throw out an idea, make a suggestion, listen to or read a reply to which the answer is not..."wait for the class"! :-pOriginally Posted by spiralsands
Going back to busily waiting for the next class!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . I very rarely respond to this thread, but I'm going to make this one post, and leave it at that. The very reason that it's so rare for me to post here, is the same thing that you are interpreting as nonacceptance/resistance, and that is, no member on here has anything to gain/loose by convincing you of the LHBA methods. No number of posts would place you into a "class of status". There are even full members who I wouldn't necessarily want at my property. There are terms of service that members adhere to, which may not make complete sense to some, but for having this incredibly helpful forum at their disposal, we fully accept them.
The fact is, a lot of people come across this site. Some decide they think it's baloney and move on, some ask a ton of questions and get upset when everything isn't answered to their liking, and move on. Still others decide to take the class, but for whatever reason don't continue to participate on the forums, and/or never build. Then there are those who take the class, build, but never participate on the forums. And there are those who adamantly participate on the forums and build. It's a mixed bunch. Where will you fall in?
There is a certain bit of "leap of faith" required. You can go off angered/puzzled or you can "take the chance" that this could be a good move for you. Like I said, the participants of this board have nothing to loose or gain of your decision, but I hope you may see thorough your frustrations, and make the call which works best for yourself.
All my bad forum habits I learned from LHN
Rod Reidnauer
Class of Apr. 9-10, 2005
Thinking outside the vinyl sided box
My question on what gained one the vetted status came from spiralsands comment above... and I know that it's from taking the class, and from continuing to contribute with questions and answers on this and the other side of the forum... how is one expected to gain that... well by taking the class of course!
It is still my intention to participate, take the class, build, and continue to participate in the forums... but then they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions! ;-)The fact is, a lot of people come across this site...And there are those who adamantly participate on the forums and build. It's a mixed bunch. Where will you fall in?
There sure is a leap of faith, but there is also a chunk of knowledge gained by researching things posted both here on the forum, in other log builders forums, and builds by people who have gone through the class and a build, and would be the first to admit, that they did not see themselves building a house, due to age, lack of experience, lack of faith, etc. And yet they did actually learn more than enough to complete their builds... what more could you ask for a working system for teh common man, (or woman). I'm not angered, but I am puzzled, though that's because you can't taste the ice cream in the store, until you've learned how we make it, take the class, that and the fact that I was unwittingly in breach of the TOS, I did click the link that doesn't work in, (I think), the Solar section, so although I had tried to read them I had failed.There is a certain bit of "leap of faith" required. You can go off angered/puzzled or you can "take the chance" that this could be a good move for you. Like I said, the participants of this board have nothing to loose or gain of your decision, but I hope you may see thorough your frustrations, and make the call which works best for yourself.
I hesitate to be a pain, but if the forum is maintain through the fees generated from the class, then everyone has something to gain if more people take the class, my decision as I've stated several times is to hang around and read the forums, and await the next announcement of another class, and then to have my name on the attendees list at the top of the list, then make a pain of of myself with lots of questions on the members side of the forums, then get on with my build, then make a pain of myself asking more questions, or perhaps even answering a question or two somewhere sometime.
Thank you for a cool head and a light touch Rod!
p.s. If only I had found this place a month or 6 weeks earlier, I would be booked on the labor day weekend class, and that may be a minor source of possible frustration... not that I'm admitting to there actually being any frustration, you understand!
Going back to waiting for the class!
I spend enough time on this forum to have gained an extra 30 uneeded pounds. I first took the class long before the internet, and was able to learn, from a 2 day class, enough to get me off my feet and doing the kind of things that allow me to snag a forum name like loghousenut. Heck, I've been a loghousenut since before they invented capital letters!
This forum wouldn't exist without the class support and the "members only" structure. You've already googled log home, log building, B&P, log house, and on and on and you know what kind of worthless drivel happens to "yahoologhomesonthenet.com" etc.etc.
There is a different type of relationship that develops on the members side that cannot possibly develop here on the public side. So why not just have the members side and open it up to the public? It would turn into yahoologhomesonthenet.com and it wouldn't take long.
So why not just get rid of the public side? Because most folks are smart enough to eventually move on after they have built a home for their family, and this whole thing would shrivel up and die.
I don't make a dime from the business that happens on this site and yet I will happily support it and play by the rules right up until my Wife insists that "Two hours a day is too much time to spend on that stupid computer and I'm leaving!". I follow the rules here for several reasons but mostly because I don't want to spend that extra hour or two per day on the public side. The public side is not that much fun compared to the members side. Don't take this the wrong way, but you are gonna be so much more interesting and fun to banter with once you've taken the class.
Christofori, you unruffle your neck feathers right now and listen to me... You will agree with everything I'm saying, the day after class. Take the class, and sit back and relax and think about life with no mortgage until then. You're young. You have time, and if you die between now and Vegas none of this will matter anyway. Here's what I want:
I want folks like you taking the class so that there will be a steady supply of students keeping this thing alive. Sounds kinda "Ponzi" but it's not.
I want folks like you taking the class so that we'll all have a common bond on the members side. You will fit right in.
I want folks like you taking the class so that we will all speak the same language on the members side.
I want these things so badly that I won't invite you out to my place til the day after you go to Vegas. I'm cooking steak and you have a place to stay any time you like, once you're through the class.
Trust me on this one Christofori... You will be singing this same tune next year. I can't wait!
PS... I made up the name yahoologhomesonthenet.com
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Wow - the last 2 posts sum it all up nice and tidy.
I imagine the "leap of faith" and inability to be involved in a current build or at least watch the process chases many away a lot of folk. Then it also be true that some jump in "devil be danged" if you will.
Last week I spent 4 days hiking in northern MN...3 days before that in northern MI....doing nothing but looking at old log cabins and homes and lodges that were built 80-120 years ago. Many have had the forest grow up and surround them, some have been empty 30-40 years now and if you cleaned the animal litter out and re-roofed them almost without exception they could be lived in once again. Many were built by Swedes and were cope, some were butt and pass, a couple were deviations or hybrids of both.
To me it speaks huge as far as the longevity of a log structure no matter what the build style it was ..... we hiked in about 4 miles to the old Joyce estate up north of Grand Rapids,MN and I was in absolute AWE of what remains from that 1917-1922 "compound". I could clean up any of the structures and move into them within a week, likely less. I bet I have 50 pictures of the remaining structures on Trout lake - the place was heaven on earth. If someone wants to see them let me know and I can post some here .... if you help me figure out how that is. lol
Do a google ---- Joyce estate, grand rapids,mn....you'll want to see them. ;-)
I digress - I really bet the numbers of new members would quadruple if people had a chance to either do a hands on at the class or at a build site of someones. For many of us it's that touchy feely thing. I confess I still do not understand the reason it's not allowed but imagine there is a reason that I guess I cannot grasp in the tiny mind of mine. For those that participate so much on this public side - thanks. I really think you are the ambassadors of LHBA and w/o such I really am not to sure how many would jump into a class without you being here. That would be a massive leap of faith and in todays world may be would not be taken by so many. (?)
LHN snuck a post in .... so let me add the "last 3 posts" lol
great post BenB. PLEASE take the class so you can help us chink!!! we're having a party to do the outside in 2 weeks but I bet we'll be having another one soon to do the inside!! Mr. B, if we can do it you can most definitely do it!
Christofori,
> if the forum is maintain through the fees generated from the class, then everyone has something to gain if more people take the class,
I think that is the point, we don't want everyone to join just to make this bigger and bring in more money from the classes. That is more of a corporate mindset. But more is not necessarily better and that is what we promote. We want people like you (I'm guessing by our past posts). But there are many other people not like you that are more interested in things we are not about as a group. Many visitors are more interested in selling us something, a product or promoting another style of building they have a financial interest in.
We want the next generation of members to keep things pretty much just as they are, simple.
Don't let this frustrate you. The real fun is just around the corner my friend.
edkemper
Class: Valentine's Day weekend 2009
Feel the Bern!
It is what it is. "Qwich yer bellyaching"
I'm about ready to make the whole bunch of you stand in the corner.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Christofori coming to the other side. I'm expectin him to give LHN a run for his money.
Hello
My name is Jim and I live in Alberta Canada. I have a fishing lodge on Vancouver island and I am thinking about building myself a log cabin there. My nephew has a wood miser band saw that I may be able to use to help with the project.
I joined this forum looking for info on how to build a log cabin.
Thanks
Jim
Jim,
You're at the right spot if you want to build this cabin with your own hands. Keep reading and look carefully at the log homes in the album. Each one built by the owner.
We have a lot in common. You're a boat builder who wants to build a log house.... I am a log house nut who wants to be a boat nut.
If you have the time and the money get yourself in the Class Labor day weekend, Las Vegas NV... the class has a money back guarantee, but I don't think you'll need to ever use it.
The class covers all the information to pick you up and show you a route to build the cabin of your dreams, there are still slots on the class, until you take the class, it is hard to grasp why the class is so important, but without the class it's just too much information to assimilate, the class has a structure that will make it all clear.
http://mechanicaltransfer.com/classe...-2nd-2012.html sign up, sign on, get busy!
I am actually a welder by trade. I built 1- 25' cuddy cabin boat for west coast fishing. It took me 2 years of weekends and evenings to complete but it was worth every minute of it. It has fished for over 3000 hours now and works awesome.
The problem I have of building a log cabin is that I live 20 hours away from our place on the coast. I would like to prefab it at home and disassemble it and put it back together out there. Not sure if this is possible but thats the plan for now. I'm just beginning to research now.
Thanks
Jim
in this doom economic time for many...the best thing Skip taught was to stay out of debt, dont overbuild , dont get vision of grandeur<lol> . nothing like having a nice home...nothing worse than not being able to afford it!
picture link to my land
http://community.loghomebuilders.org...8-land-picture
Hi ! This is Dave and Denise – we live in the Sioux Falls, SD area now but are planning on building our log home in the Black Hills of SD or points west in a couple years.
We are set to join the 2012 Labor Day class in 10 days and from what we have found out about this group it will be very informative! It seems our mindset dovetails with the LHBA’s so it should be a very beneficial experience for years to come.
We hope to find others in our vicinity who may be able to use our ?help? on their LHBA home at some point if schedules allow.
Welcome aboard Dave n Denise... So what did you folks do with Abe?
Abe is alive and well.
He appears every now and then, when you least expect him!
Well I don't expect him at all right now... Why hasn't he appeared??!!!
Truth be known, I don't really care about Abe at all. I'm more of a Dave and Denise kinda guy. Welcome home.
Ryan,
Read all you can on this site and look closely at the students homes. It's all about building your own log home. If I can do it, you can do it.
You'll be welcome for as long as you like at our place as soon as you've taken the class. You'll like it here. Most of the best scenery in America is within 4,000 miles.
Hello log homers!
I'm Kevin, 31, Husband and new Father, a psych/detox RN.
I have always been "handy" and "Crafty", and have had many opportunities in work/residence where construction/reno was required.
I love some of the houses that have been built by members, and think that this is the building philosophy I will be using to build my "forever home", but I'm still on the fence as to whether The Class is in my future. You see, I'm fairly intuitive/conceptual, and a bit obsessive about educating myself on topics that intrigue me. There is a wealth of knowledge here on the public side, not all in one thread of course, that one can put the into the big picture (along with pictorial info and straight up "how to" on blogs). If there was an East Coast Class (like in Asheville, NC... hmmm that's a great idea... ) I would go. It really is about money, I am super cheap
Anyways, I've been on the land hunt for a while now, looking for that perfect piece. A South facing piece, with a year round creek (head enough for hydro), bordering National Forrest, 30 min or less commute, unrestricted by HOAs, cheap or creatively negotiable.... and so on... you know, the GOOD stuff.
It's late and neither the land, nor the log homes, are going anywhere fast. So good night, and thanks for sharing Yall's knowledge with the web.
Kevin
Kevin,
Glad you found us. I too am cheap... Most say too cheap.
A word to the wise. Had we not taken the LHBA class, this place we are building would have cost us ssooooooo much more. I am forever in the debt of Skip Ellsworth for what he started here, and I am thoroughly pleased with what it has turned into. You can go it alone if you want to but, trust me, it ain't the cheap or the easy way to get it done. This thing works.
PS... No, I don't make a nickel off of any of this. I'm just a guy building a log home and enjoying the ride.
Welcome Kevin,
You have come to a good place. But the best of things come with a price. In this case taking the class is cheaper than not taking the class.
Asheville? Clyde is where I spent some of my youth and my family are still there. We are building in Murphy NC area and there are several other builds going within 50-100 miles. So if you decide to become part of this family there is help all around. My husband and I are both RN's and there is another RN building not far from where we live in TN. We are becoming well represented in this family.
Last edited by Mosseyme; 08-29-2012 at 07:19 AM.
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