Thats the one that is his ridge pole. Pretty awesome one I would say. My ridge pole looks like a pencil compared to his.Quote:
Originally Posted by John W
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Thats the one that is his ridge pole. Pretty awesome one I would say. My ridge pole looks like a pencil compared to his.Quote:
Originally Posted by John W
Howdy ya'll
My name is Cornel and I am trying to build a log home in Romania. I bought the book by Robert Chambers and now I try to put into practice the concepts learned. Looking forward to using the forum.
jugaru_c,
Cool. From Romania. Hope you stick around and learn what we are all about.
Hey there,
My daughter-in-law is from Romania. Beautiful country. Hope to visit someday. Hang out here a while maybe we can be of some help.
Cornel.Quote:
Originally Posted by jugaru_c
It's a good book but we here on this site mostly prefer a different method of construction for our own log homes. The LHBA class teaches a very simple way for a non-builder to construct his/her own log home with his/her own hands. Very simple and most of us think it produces the strongest log home possible. Keep reading.
Dear LHBA-ers!
We are Maria & Slava. Originally from Russia (Moscow). Living in US ~20 years. We have been entertaining a log house dream since long time ago. Once I found Skip's site on the internet (back in 2004), it was clear to me that it's exactly what we've been looking for! We took a class from Skip in 2004 at his Monroe property, attended a couple of LBHA member meetings and also helped some guys on the building project. However, at that time it was obvious we were not ready (both financially & psychologically). We took our time to keep living the way we did and see where it goes :). Finally, it "converged" to a strong desire to build... So, this year we started to make some moves :). I quit my job and took another class from Ellseworth & Steve in LV. Currently we live in Seattle area, WA, but looking for a land near Sequim (Jefferson or Clallam county). We plan to start building next spring, if not earlier, as Sequim area doesn't have snow and seems to have bearable winter temperatures. Skip taught us not to rush, so we are not in a hurry. Thanks to all of you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge!!!
Cheers!
Welcome aboard Maria and Slava. Was great meeting you two the other day!
welcome back Maria and Slava:) glad you checked back in!Quote:
Originally Posted by slamasha
sounds like you're ready to jump in!
can't wait to see how your build progresses.
see you on the member's side:)
Hey! Cornell,
Where are you in Romania? I did a bit of traveling when I was there adopting, years ago. I got a boy from Satu Mare area and a girl from Atid Hargita.
Blondie
Christofori here, checking in from Utah.
Looking at the possibilities of building in the next year or so up in Southern Idaho or Northern Utah area, the Idaho side of the border is the more likely of the two.
I have a hundred questions, including about the September class.
Hi,
I am in SLC, know several members building in the area. What can we do for you?
Blondie
Definitely log home country! Fire away.
Hello all from the Ozarks of Arkansas. Wooo Pig Soooowie!!
I've got 5 or 6 truck loads of large cedars and need something to do with them.
Gonna follow up with a few questions.
Often a reader and still waiting getting the hubby onboard. He is skeptical for variety of reason he says but I think it's cost (class) and what people say the cost to build can be. As with anything in life if we wait long enough we can get things cheaper or free. That part I understand well. Doing a lot of the labor - free, well not paid for with dollars. Trading earning dollars for ones own labor a better way to state it.
So Maybe he will and Maybe he won't is were it all is at.
Enjoy the forum anyway
Mrs. Bear,
What is his real hesitancy? If your Husband doesn't feel a burning desire in his guts for the challenge of building his own log home, and if he is not actively seeking a project that will be, at times, all consuming... Well, you don't want to be the one to force him into it.
If, on the other hand, he is looking for all those things and is worried that the LHBA way of doing it will cost too much or that the class cost is too high... Well, keep prodding him.
All I know is what has worked for me and what I see working for so many other folks who have fallen into the LHBA trap. It is a lifestyle change for a lot of us and very few would ever go back. I can think of no better or cheaper way for a family to build their log home. My Grandkids will love mine when they are old and grey.
If this type of project is what he is looking for, then he is darned lucky to have a Wife behind him and pushing rather than in front of him and digging in her heels. Send him out to my place and we'll let him climb up and touch the ridgepole and decide for himself.
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PS... Welcome home.
It is funny - he has built or helped, several regular cabins, pole barns, remodeled several homes with others. It is hard to explain but I sense paying for a class x2 is to him a expense he says "why" to. That make any sense to you? He can build a regular cabin and they are beautiful when done. So he says why to paying for classes when he is unsure of value to himself. He's a tough sell or an evasive one anyway. He says he loves a log home so this adds to my frustration in it all
Does he know of the guarantee?
Peter
He's been following this forum for many more years than I have Peter so the short fast answer is a big yes.
Over the past 3-4 years we, ok-he has, accumulated a 20x28 building full and I mean FULL, of windows and doors and shingles and vents and hundreds of 2x4-2x6-2x8-2x10 lumber, kitchen cabinets in maple, birch, pine and I have no clue what else lies behind these things but the building is full except for a 4' aisle. He has been buying cheaply, salvaging new looking stuff when it is there and at times getting free items from people he knows. I think we have maybe 5 kitchen fulls of cabinets. It is over the top but he says it depends on what we do. Ok - so what will that be hun?
The manner and "lifestyle" of this forum he already lives in. He needs a kick start to do it. It boils down to the cost of the class and whether he gains enough to justify the $3000 plus with travel costs and hotel and all it will be. I understand him on this a bit I guess. Maybe I need just him going and see if that sells the deal.
Now watch and see him post a rebuttal here! I doubt so as he tuned out when LasVegas became the class destination. Hands on - he would say yes. I just know that. Oh well - I will keep trying
Shelly
Hey Shelly,
This will probably really upset you, but he reminds me of me.
I see this class as being a kickstart. I am going to the class over Labor Day weekend to get enthusiasm and knowledge. I believe that will be a kickstart for me to get this done, well worth the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShellyBear
Thanks Blondie, I'm only a month or so into the whole process, and I'm not sure what else to ask for help with yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
The chance to look around other folks builds would be nice, but I don't want to get in the way, but I'm interested in just about everything, from foundations, (specifically ICF), to the last screw in the roof!
If you know of any folks that won't object to a visit, please feel free to draw their attention to my posts, and anyone can message me, if they can stand my sense of humor!
Cristo,
One of the advantages of having other members help out on a build is they've already taken the class and have a lot to offer. With no class, you'd just be manual labor. Not exactly what Skip had in mind. We tend to try to keep to the winning strategies. Class first.
Why do you say I have no class?Quote:
Originally Posted by edkemper
I din't offer to work... yet! But I'm interested to see, but without expecting anything except a walk through and some inspiration, I take the point from other Skip ideas included, "not turning current builders into teachers", there is a fine line between putting things off, until the people are post class, and putting people off.
At some point somebody may want to encourage with a 30 minute tour, or a happy word, rather than discourage and denigrate people for having no class!
I may have warped sense of humor, but after living 50 years, I'd think there are things that I have to offer, with or without class!
The post above was somewhat another part of my sense of humor... or lack of it, especially about calling you out on the first no class part.
But there is some seriousness about the encouragement, and that you get further with a kind word and a big stick, than just a big stick!
Christofori,
> Why do you say I have no class?
You know, when I wrote that, it didn't sound the same as I read it above. I meant you didn't go to the class yet. And yes, you are a lunatic and have a lot to offer and seem to fit in here just fine. You do make me smile.
Just so there's no misunderstanding, You are nuts. We are nuts. I meant/mean no disrespect my friend.
Well if I'm going to be a nut, I'm going to be an acorn!
Then if we can all live long enough, we'll be able to have a picnic beneath my spreading bow's... only takes 70 - 80 years! ;-)
From what I understand about the builds of others, many family members and friends of members, even strangers who are boy scouts, help out on builds without ever having taken the class. It's not a prerequisite to actually do labor at a build. But this is an internet forum and nobody really knows who you are. I'm not being unfriendly but I would be a little nervous about inviting an internet forum stranger to my remote property without that person actually being vetted though his commitment to the LHBA.
Know what I mean? Maybe the male members wouldn't think of that but I do.
Frances
And it would be a violation of the TOS of the forum to boot. ;)
That is more in line with where I was going.
Well I am a family member... to my family. I'm friendly to my friends, neighbors, and just about anyone else I can help. I used to be a boy scout and my sons still are. I'm not trying to help out on a build. I am not trying to find out if like the idea of laboring on someone else's build. All my internet friends know who I am. How many more posts does one need to make, to commit to the LHBA before one can be vetted.
I do understand that there are some folks that won't invite strangers out to the wilderness, but I hope that there are some folks that don't get freaked out inviting strangers over.
If I found the money for the class and went to Vegas for the Labor day weekend, how much less of a sociopath does that make me? Not really that much, it just makes me a sociopath with a little more disposable income.
I find it shocking Timberwolf that viewing a build is a violation of the TOS of this forum... (thanks for the heads up, I checked and found them and rule 28 was being violated), I'm sorry for violating the TOS of this forum, I wonder if I should stop searching the internet for LHBA builds, because I don't want to violate the TOS by looking at pictures of other peoples builds.
Please disregard wanting to see things about build before I'm a full member.
I want to thank those that extended the hand of friendship... I'll return periodically to check for the next class as I won't make it to tho Labor day class.
Thanks for all the time and effort that is put into the site.
C'ya
OUCH!! Guess he told us!
On the other hand I don't invite anyone I don't know to our build. Of course I feel like I know a number of the good folks on here. Just hope w hen we do get to meet they don't turn out to have some other use of all the chainsaws around here!!! LOL. just kidding--I think:):eek::rolleyes:
Maybe he doesn't realize he's only on the public side of this forum and that there is a member's side that he doesn't see.
No; he fully realizes and understands that there is the members side... but he can't see in that side, or ask questions there, until he has "waited for the class"! Therefore he can not see how much nicer it must be, to ask a question, throw out an idea, make a suggestion, listen to or read a reply to which the answer is not..."wait for the class"! :-pQuote:
Originally Posted by spiralsands
Going back to busily waiting for the next class!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . I very rarely respond to this thread, but I'm going to make this one post, and leave it at that. The very reason that it's so rare for me to post here, is the same thing that you are interpreting as nonacceptance/resistance, and that is, no member on here has anything to gain/loose by convincing you of the LHBA methods. No number of posts would place you into a "class of status". There are even full members who I wouldn't necessarily want at my property. There are terms of service that members adhere to, which may not make complete sense to some, but for having this incredibly helpful forum at their disposal, we fully accept them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christofori
The fact is, a lot of people come across this site. Some decide they think it's baloney and move on, some ask a ton of questions and get upset when everything isn't answered to their liking, and move on. Still others decide to take the class, but for whatever reason don't continue to participate on the forums, and/or never build. Then there are those who take the class, build, but never participate on the forums. And there are those who adamantly participate on the forums and build. It's a mixed bunch. Where will you fall in?
There is a certain bit of "leap of faith" required. You can go off angered/puzzled or you can "take the chance" that this could be a good move for you. Like I said, the participants of this board have nothing to loose or gain of your decision, but I hope you may see thorough your frustrations, and make the call which works best for yourself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiralsands
My question on what gained one the vetted status came from spiralsands comment above... and I know that it's from taking the class, and from continuing to contribute with questions and answers on this and the other side of the forum... how is one expected to gain that... well by taking the class of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by rreidnauer
It is still my intention to participate, take the class, build, and continue to participate in the forums... but then they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions! ;-)Quote:
The fact is, a lot of people come across this site...And there are those who adamantly participate on the forums and build. It's a mixed bunch. Where will you fall in?
There sure is a leap of faith, but there is also a chunk of knowledge gained by researching things posted both here on the forum, in other log builders forums, and builds by people who have gone through the class and a build, and would be the first to admit, that they did not see themselves building a house, due to age, lack of experience, lack of faith, etc. And yet they did actually learn more than enough to complete their builds... what more could you ask for a working system for teh common man, (or woman). I'm not angered, but I am puzzled, though that's because you can't taste the ice cream in the store, until you've learned how we make it, take the class, that and the fact that I was unwittingly in breach of the TOS, I did click the link that doesn't work in, (I think), the Solar section, so although I had tried to read them I had failed.Quote:
There is a certain bit of "leap of faith" required. You can go off angered/puzzled or you can "take the chance" that this could be a good move for you. Like I said, the participants of this board have nothing to loose or gain of your decision, but I hope you may see thorough your frustrations, and make the call which works best for yourself.
I hesitate to be a pain, but if the forum is maintain through the fees generated from the class, then everyone has something to gain if more people take the class, my decision as I've stated several times is to hang around and read the forums, and await the next announcement of another class, and then to have my name on the attendees list at the top of the list, then make a pain of of myself with lots of questions on the members side of the forums, then get on with my build, then make a pain of myself asking more questions, or perhaps even answering a question or two somewhere sometime.
Thank you for a cool head and a light touch Rod!
p.s. If only I had found this place a month or 6 weeks earlier, I would be booked on the labor day weekend class, and that may be a minor source of possible frustration... not that I'm admitting to there actually being any frustration, you understand!
Going back to waiting for the class!
I spend enough time on this forum to have gained an extra 30 uneeded pounds. I first took the class long before the internet, and was able to learn, from a 2 day class, enough to get me off my feet and doing the kind of things that allow me to snag a forum name like loghousenut. Heck, I've been a loghousenut since before they invented capital letters!
This forum wouldn't exist without the class support and the "members only" structure. You've already googled log home, log building, B&P, log house, and on and on and you know what kind of worthless drivel happens to "yahoologhomesonthenet.com" etc.etc.
There is a different type of relationship that develops on the members side that cannot possibly develop here on the public side. So why not just have the members side and open it up to the public? It would turn into yahoologhomesonthenet.com and it wouldn't take long.
So why not just get rid of the public side? Because most folks are smart enough to eventually move on after they have built a home for their family, and this whole thing would shrivel up and die.
I don't make a dime from the business that happens on this site and yet I will happily support it and play by the rules right up until my Wife insists that "Two hours a day is too much time to spend on that stupid computer and I'm leaving!". I follow the rules here for several reasons but mostly because I don't want to spend that extra hour or two per day on the public side. The public side is not that much fun compared to the members side. Don't take this the wrong way, but you are gonna be so much more interesting and fun to banter with once you've taken the class.
Christofori, you unruffle your neck feathers right now and listen to me... You will agree with everything I'm saying, the day after class. Take the class, and sit back and relax and think about life with no mortgage until then. You're young. You have time, and if you die between now and Vegas none of this will matter anyway. Here's what I want:
I want folks like you taking the class so that there will be a steady supply of students keeping this thing alive. Sounds kinda "Ponzi" but it's not.
I want folks like you taking the class so that we'll all have a common bond on the members side. You will fit right in.
I want folks like you taking the class so that we will all speak the same language on the members side.
I want these things so badly that I won't invite you out to my place til the day after you go to Vegas. I'm cooking steak and you have a place to stay any time you like, once you're through the class.
Trust me on this one Christofori... You will be singing this same tune next year. I can't wait!
PS... I made up the name yahoologhomesonthenet.com
Wow - the last 2 posts sum it all up nice and tidy.
I imagine the "leap of faith" and inability to be involved in a current build or at least watch the process chases many away a lot of folk. Then it also be true that some jump in "devil be danged" if you will.
Last week I spent 4 days hiking in northern MN...3 days before that in northern MI....doing nothing but looking at old log cabins and homes and lodges that were built 80-120 years ago. Many have had the forest grow up and surround them, some have been empty 30-40 years now and if you cleaned the animal litter out and re-roofed them almost without exception they could be lived in once again. Many were built by Swedes and were cope, some were butt and pass, a couple were deviations or hybrids of both.
To me it speaks huge as far as the longevity of a log structure no matter what the build style it was ..... we hiked in about 4 miles to the old Joyce estate up north of Grand Rapids,MN and I was in absolute AWE of what remains from that 1917-1922 "compound". I could clean up any of the structures and move into them within a week, likely less. I bet I have 50 pictures of the remaining structures on Trout lake - the place was heaven on earth. If someone wants to see them let me know and I can post some here .... if you help me figure out how that is. lol
Do a google ---- Joyce estate, grand rapids,mn....you'll want to see them. ;-)
I digress - I really bet the numbers of new members would quadruple if people had a chance to either do a hands on at the class or at a build site of someones. For many of us it's that touchy feely thing. I confess I still do not understand the reason it's not allowed but imagine there is a reason that I guess I cannot grasp in the tiny mind of mine. For those that participate so much on this public side - thanks. I really think you are the ambassadors of LHBA and w/o such I really am not to sure how many would jump into a class without you being here. That would be a massive leap of faith and in todays world may be would not be taken by so many. (?)
LHN snuck a post in .... so let me add the "last 3 posts" lol
great post BenB. PLEASE take the class so you can help us chink!!! we're having a party to do the outside in 2 weeks but I bet we'll be having another one soon to do the inside!! Mr. B, if we can do it you can most definitely do it!