March 2012 Log Home Class!!

[John17three]

Go!! If you've not signed up yet, go for it. You won't regret it, and you'll be prepared to built when the timing and finances are right. The Wide World of Log Homes is pretty neat, and if there's any question, you CAN do it.....with a little help from us friends. : -)

Also, we signed up for Spirit Airlines credit card while en route to Vegas in November, and now have enough miles (30K) to make a trip there for free--but we already went. If Spirit services your nearest airport, you might check into that at www.spirit.com. My experience with that airline has been pretty good. Other than that card being BofA, I'm pretty satisfied so far. I said that to say, you may be able to get a flight for free, or paid in part. On the flight, we received 2500 for applying for credit card, and then 15,000 for getting approved. That's 17,500 miles right there. But please check the link below to verify region and flyer benefits before applying. It may not be beneficial for you.

http://www.spirit.com/content/documents/en-us/awards_chart_2011.pdf

[houndog1970]

Just signed up for the class.... I can't wait to get this going. I have the land already, I bought it last year after I found the LHBA web site. I have dreamed about this for a long time and never seemed to get any further than that, a dream. One step closer to making that come true now. Just booked my flights also. It happens to be during a shutdown that I will be working but oh well... I was comfortably unemployed when I found that job too. They will get over it..... or not... up to them. Once i start something Im all in.

[Tom Featherstone]

Welcome Houndoggy!
Tom

[houndog1970]

lol..... thanks Tom... The nickname is from work a while back and it just stuck with me. Im not sure how long its gonna take to get all the preliminary things done (permits, etc.) But im hoping to get this going this summer if curing the logs is not an issue. Again.... lots of things to consider before building actually starts and I'm not too familiar with any of it so i'm really just whizzin in the wind i guess but I dont foresee too many difficulties..

[Outdoorsman]

I am trying to arrange my schedule to attend even though I am five years away from starting or owning some land. Will I forget the knowledge by then? I guess I need to start looking at some cabin designs by some of the graduates. Any suggestions?

[edkemper]

ODM,

Take the class. The 5 extra years after the class will make a huge dent in the cost. Remember, fast is expensive. The benefit of 5 extra years will be better understood after the class.

[Bill FL]

Just signed up for the class. We bought some land in April of last year and are in the process of clearing it now. It will be at least a year before we can even think about breaking ground, but we are very excited to learn as much as we can in the mean time. Look forward to getting out Las Vegas - never been.
Bill in Oviedo FL.

[TW WA]

Signed up also. Was supposed to make the January Class, but had to cancel right beforehand. Can't wait.

Tom

[happyquilter]

Congrats to everyone attending the March class. My husband and I just attended the January class. It was extremely comprehensive and well worth the money spent. I don't want to give anything away, but two specific things immediately come to mind that will save us thousands of dollars. Not to mention when I got home I tossed all my little floor plan sketches because I had indeed made pretty much every mistake Steve and Ellsworth said most people make, lol! (Take your Significant Others with you!) And it is amazing being part of the members forum and reading the in depth discussions about specific tools, techniques, etc. Enjoy!!

Shari

[spiralsands]

I went to the class in Jan '07, 6 months after buying my NY property. It took me 4 years to move from FL to NY to be near it and to finally begin my project. Don't think you'll forget the stuff you learn in class because being here on the forum, you will keep learning and learning more and more.

Frances

[Nothos]

Signed up for the March class, been shadowing the site for three years. I'm probably going unemployed in the next year (thank you AA) and figured it was time to start preparing my plan C for cabin.

Looking forward to meeting you all in Viva, Las Vegas!

[StressMan79]

Nothos:

did you lose your job b/c of Alcoholics Anonymous or American Airlines?

[Nothos]

American will probably furlough me... again... later this year. The first time (8.5 years) apparently wasn't enough.

Flying is good work if you can get it, but I wouldn't call it a career.

Looking forward to the class!

[marronnin]

Ok... after almost 5 years of lurking on the boards, watching all the changes / drama / losses / and everything else that goes on in the wonderful wacky community.
My wife and I have payed off all our debt, saved up enough money for both the class and a decent down-payment on land (when we get back from class, of course).

We're going to VEGAS!!!!!

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Thanks to you all!!

[JeffandSara]

Congratulations, Marronnin! :)

Sara

[happyquilter]

Congrats Marronnin, to you and your wife! My hubby and I are fellow Washingtonians, near Tacoma, hoping to build in Eastern WA. Do you know yet what area you are interested in? We just took the class this month and are looking at properties now.

Shari.

[marronnin]

Thanks, Sara and Shari...

We are looking either South of Olympia or North of Marysville... no sure yet, want to take the class so we know what questions to ask regarding permits etc.

Marshall

[Tom Featherstone]

Congrats! marronnin! and I thought I lurked around here a long time.... See ya on the otherside

Tom

[Bill FL]

Book my flight and room for Las Vegas today.
Looking forward to getting out there and meeting everyone in the class and getting started.
Six weeks away!!

[panderson03]

welcome Bill! you won't regret it. best money we ever spent!

[fishlkmich]

I'll be there.

Bought land with about an acre of mature Red Pine a couple of years ago, in Northern Lower Michigan. After I looked at the trees, I decided to build a cabin. Never crossed my mind before that. I did a lot of homework and asked a lot of questions before signing up for this. I couldn't find a reason not to take the course.

I love projects that require procrastination after learning the process!

Mark

[kaster]

How close is this to filling up?

[BenB]

I am feeling kinda sick .... 2 classes already in 2012 and I am unable to catch either due to travel for work. Things don't settle down until May 1st this year for me --- I have planned on the class this year ever since I stumbled onto site few years back.
Any clue if they may have a 3rd this year ???????

[panderson03]

no clue:( the class we took was on Memorial day weekend, so maybe there might be one this year too? sure hope so. we need more help on the build. got the garage under roof and will work on cabin walls this summer:)

[StressMan79]

the classes tend to be on 3 day weekends, and the instructors tend to be sensitive to demand. they can gauge it by the number getting auto-notified.

say there are 200 ppl in the AN list, it is a fair bet that there will be enough to fill a class that sign up. if there are 10 ppl, they'll hold off.

memorial day is a possibility, as is Labor day (which I took), columbus day, etc...

-Peter

[Danita]

TAH DAH!! Finally after 10 years of hoping and wishing, I have finally signed up for the March 2012 class!! I am a grandmother from North Louisiana. YooHoo!! Can't wait--see ya'll there!

[spiralsands]

TAH DAH!! Finally after 10 years of hoping and wishing, I have finally signed up for the March 2012 class!! I am a grandmother from North Louisiana. YooHoo!! Can't wait--see ya'll there!

Danita, I'm a granny wanna-be. My only child, a daughter 26, is my only hope and a real long shot. Just recently she has this one young man interested in her and now all I can hope for is for him to hang around a while and give me some free slave labor on my Winterwood cabin in return for maybe trying to convince my daughter he's worthy. Poor guy, I hope to work him like an Amish horse.

Frances

[Danita]

Hi All! I booked my flight and motel today! Allegiant Air Package was the best price by far with the Bally Las Vegas. Now just hoping for good weather. Can't wait!

Frances, That is so funny! I have 9 of them "little stinkers"! Yea, we're a fertile bunch. Nothing like it.

Oh well, hard to say about your daughter--if she ditches him, maybe you can keep him as a friend/horse!:D

Danita

[Kick Forward]

Hi All, I've been researching building my own home for quite some time now, been looking at property for about a year. The one question I have before taking this class is, is it worth taking if you live in an area where you doubt you can harvest the logs from? I live in PA but am planning on moving soon to Kentucky to be closer to my wife's family. The lumber does not look all that great from every plot we've looked at, either has been cut down long time ago, or it's just not mature. There's also very few pine trees. Do I need to ship in logs from across the country?

Thanks, I hope I can share my wisdom with you all in times to come.

Josh

[Cruiser]

Josh,

First off, welcome! The short answer is yes. If you are looking for a plot of land with trees to use for building, it is out there. You just haven't found it yet. The majority of LHBA builders bought their logs. The class class will teach you all about acquiring logs and the best (and cheapest) way to accomplish this task. You should be able to get logs from a local source versus shipping them from far away...of course this means you wil need to use a species native to your area, so that is a personal choice.

We are glad you dropped in and hope you take the class and join us on "the other side". In the mean time, read all you can here, check out all the pictures in the gallery and we hope you like what you see as much as we did. The LHBA is as much about living and building debt free as anything. This is a great bunch of folks and we have a good time on here. Enjoy and we hope to see you here often!

[Kick Forward]

Thanks Cruiser. I'm 90% sure I'm signing up for the class. It's a little late notice for me, but I think I can figure out a way to get there. I've read a lot on the site and looked through a lot of members' houses. I still can't believe what I've seen. It's almost too good to be true. So I gotta say I'm a bit skeptical, but I'm gonna take the plunge. See you on the other side! ;)

[JeffandSara]

Kick Forward--

Cruiser's right. Logs shouldn't be a big problem. I doubt you'd have to truck logs in too far for a Kentucky property, but even if you DID have to bring logs a long way, it's still a good deal. Ours came from more than 1000 miles away (most of the way by train) because we had no nearby appropriate logs, and we still built our house for a lot cheaper than if we'd bought a "kit".

Take the class, definitely. :) Sara

PS... It is a MUCH NICER house than a kit log house, too!

[Kick Forward]

Thanks Sara. My brother-in-law is actually a forester and whenever I've looked at property he'd always say something like, "oh no, you don't want this property, there's no mature trees", or "looks like they logged this forrest 20 years ago". I always thought, well it looks pretty to me so I don't really mind that... I guess he knew more than me, ha. He actually just finished his house for his family with lumber milled from his own property.

Honestly, the kit houses that I've looked at, and I never really liked any, seemed expensive. I haven't looked much at log home kits much though. Doesn't seem like those words should go together..

[Cruiser]

Josh,

Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism. I was skeptical too. The more I read, the better I felt. I remember paying for the class and booking the flight and hotel with a lump in my throat. My wife and I felt good about it though. When we were flying out to Vegas, we said "I can't believe we are really doing this!", but we were excited. I'm here to tell you now that it was worth every penny. This is a great association and I am very proud to be a part of it. Skip had a great vision and it works. The forum is the cherry on top! Again, welcome!

[happyquilter]

What Cruiser said!!

We just took the class last month and are actively working to make our dream a reality.

Shari

[JeffandSara]

Hello, again Kick Forward--

Since we tend to like things in a fairly rustic, old-fashioned, simple form, we weren't big on kit homes, either. We looked a little bit at them, because we realized we weren't likely to build anywhere we could find appropriate logs locally.

I guess my point was mostly that even if you aren't in great " house log country" like Skip and many here are/were, the LHBA method can still save you a bundle while you end up with a fabulous home. (One of the people who convinced us to take the class was building in Kansas, and I never saw a tree or a mountain or anything higher than prairie grass in any of her photos! That big old log house was looking mighty fine there, though! ;))

If you find land with enough house logs on the "back 40", that's fabulous and can save you lots of time, cost, trouble, and wear and tear on your logs, potentially. But if you don't have a "back 40", it's not wooded, your local logs aren't good to build with (like us), or (also like us) you'd rather not cut down what trees you do have on your little patch of land... there are many other options!

The more you save on design and labor due to the LHBA methods and doing things yourself, the less of a financial problem (especially compared to less do-it-yourself options) it is to have to buy and truck or rail house logs to you, if you don't have what you need locally. In Kentucky, though, it sounds like suitable logs are a lot closer than they've been to some of us who've built homes successfully "Skip-style".

The LHBA method is simple and common sense, and partly because of that, is adaptable to a pretty wide range of circumstances and aesthetics within the parameters of the butt-and-pass log home. Attending class was one of the best investments we ever made. Go and enjoy! :D

Sara

[Kick Forward]

Well, even if I wasn't inclined to trust all of you, I'm now forced to because I SIGNED UP FOR CLASS!

I'll be putting my car up on craigslist shortly to pay for the whole trip (don't worry, I have two). I'm really looking forward to the class. I've been up until almost 2am last two nights researching and researching. I even priced out a new toyota pickup to dream about being my work truck some day, fitted with my own building company's logo. Boy the dreams are coming! :p

I'm going to 'Introduce Yourself(Myself)' now. Thanks for all your help everyone!

Josh

[houndog1970]

Josh,
congrats..... see you and all you others in class....

[Danita]

WONDERFUL JOSH!! Great, see you there...

[StressMan79]

Josh, I may have some swamp land or a bridge to sell you.... j/k. Welcome to the monkey house.

[Rebecca Todd]

Hello everybody. My name is Rebecca. I have been following this site since January when I stumbled across it looking for log home plans. Boy, was I lucky! This site has made me realized that I can build my own log home--it really is an eye opener. The other places I have looked at were too expensive (and now I know-No Good). I want to build a home that I can afford and reside in debt-free. What a wonderful idea. I have seen the BEAUTIFUL homes build by assocaition members and I cannot wait to join. Unfortunately, I cannot attend the March class, but somehow I will be in the next one. I have already signed up for the email alert. I will keep on reading every post on the nonmembers side, until I can be a member.

[Kick Forward]

Josh, I may have some swamp land or a bridge to sell you.... j/k. Welcome to the monkey house.

Dear Mr. Stressman,

I regret to inform you that I find your proposal a bit dubious and approach said deal of swamp land and bridge with extreme caution. I will have to decline your offer. Plus your name sounds like someone I'd never want to do business with again.

LOL

[Cruiser]

Rebecca,

Welcome! We are glad to have you. There will be another class coming soon most likely, so be making your plans to be there!

[happyquilter]

As a new graduate of the Jan 2012 class, I am excited for all of you signing up for the March class. Trust me, you won't be disappointed. And if you somehow are, remember the LHBA will refund your tuition. I doubt they have ever had to do that. We members come in all shapes and sizes, ages, sexes, and life circumstances... but we all have that dream in common and it is very contagious. When you get to the other side you will find lots of support!

[Cruiser]

Josh,

We're glad to hear you are going to take the class...but make sure you want to join this bunch of nuts before you go! :) We look forward to seeing you on the other side.

[Kick Forward]

I think most people that know me think I'm nuts already. Plus, all of you will just make me feel normal, that's good for a change. Hahaha.

I told my boss I'm taking off to learn how to build log homes in Las Vegas, you know, the desert. I think I got the biggest "rolls eyes" of my life.

[Timber]

Vegas :rolleyes: yep, that's a gamble

[loghousenut]

I think most people that know me think I'm nuts already. Plus, all of you will just make me feel normal, that's good for a change. Hahaha.

I told my boss I'm taking off to learn how to build log homes in Las Vegas, you know, the desert. I think I got the biggest "rolls eyes" of my life.

If you were smart you'd tell everyone that you were going to a "log home kit builders show" in Vegas. Most folks would think that was a normal thing to do. Hahhaa

[loghousenut]

Forgot to say welcome to your new normal. You'll fit right in here.

[Danita]

Rebecca. You are so welcome here. Hang in there, it has taken me a llllooonnngg (did I say long?) time to get to the class. I will finally be going in March!

[Whitney]

I also just signed up for the class in March. I am totally excited. My wife and I have built 2 other homes all on our home. The last one was an ICF House that looked like a cabin. My dream has always been to build a log cabin. I am in the process of buying land here in Portland Oregon. There are no shortage of trees here. I look forward to meeting all of you.

[Cruiser]

Welcome aboard Whitney!

[irace2win41]

Would like to encourage each of you to go with your spouse as this will make life much easier. Ellen and I attended the class in January. It was the best investment we could have made. Ellen and I can talk about the class, how to build, and what is the best way to go forward to get to our dream home. Ellen had as much fun as I did. You will never regret going with your wife or husband.

We stayed at the Imperial Palace and enjoyed being close to the class. Now the class has moved something may work a little easier. We flew into the Vegas airport, caught a taxi ($15.50) to our hotel, and for everything else we just walked. Get there a bit early and enjoy the wisdom that Steve and Ellsworth have to offer. Leave some space in your bag for anything you want to purchase at the class or at Vegas to remind you of your "new beginnings".

Best wishes for each of you and welcome to the fun!

Rod

[Kick Forward]

I've heard a few people say that Rod. I wasn't planning on paying extra to have my wife attend as I thought I'd be able to adequately relay stuff to her, and it was hard enough scrounging up the money to attend myself on such short notice. But then we were pleasantly surprised by an early payment from a client and the first thing I did was sign her up! We're so looking forward to it.

Josh

[Cruiser]

Josh,

That is a decision you will not regret!

[panderson03]

Josh, I'm so glad you said that. I'm pretty sure you won't regret it. building can be tough on a marriage when both parts of the team aren't on the same page:) enjoy the class!

[BoFuller]

I took the class without my wife, but she is all for it. It would have been ideal to have us both go, but as long as she is on the same page as me, I don't see it as a major obstacle.

[Danita]

Whitney, Great! See ya'll there!

Josh, glad you are bringing her!

[irace2win41]

I've heard a few people say that Rod. I wasn't planning on paying extra to have my wife attend as I thought I'd be able to adequately relay stuff to her, and it was hard enough scrounging up the money to attend myself on such short notice. But then we were pleasantly surprised by an early payment from a client and the first thing I did was sign her up! We're so looking forward to it.

Josh

Josh that's great! Just to let you know I watched your marriage trailer and loved it. I pray that God will richly bless you both. Looking
forward to hearing your input after the class. You'll do great!!

Rod

[edkemper]

Bo,

Then again, the two of you aren't exactly normal either. :rolleyes:

[Rebecca Todd]

Hello to all of the lucky ones who are getting to go to the March class and to the ones who have already attended. I'm so jealous. You are going to learn so much, I will still be here in the dark, dreaming about our new log home, but not knowing where to start. My husband has agreed to go with me to the class, but he is not as enthusiastic about it like I am. I think, he thinks, I'm going a little crazy. I already bought a used electric cement mixer off craigslist for $75 and frequent the tools, materials, furniture, and farm and garden section of craigslist as often as I can. He says that I'm addicted to craigslist. I look for anything that would look good in or on a log home. I saw an ad today for pine logs that are 50-60' tall and 20+ (diameter?) and he has 250-300. I want to call him, but really don't know what to ask him. Any suggestions of what I should be looking for? I read that the trees need to be cut when the sap is down and not milled.

[Tom Featherstone]

5 Spots left Rebecca as I just checked the web page. Sign up, your husband he will be just as crazy as the rest of us after attending. You're correct in we wish to have "winter cut" trees and not milled but this is just one part of the whole process. Don't Delay! Sign Up Today! LHBA is not on Craigslist, but what you receive in return for your investment will save you more than the total cost of the class and expenses. We as Members receive No paid endorsements or coupons or whatever to promote the Class or the LHBA. Members that converse here do so because we've taken the class and believe in this method and in something in this world that lives up to All it's hype and wish to share this with anyone looking to build with logs. With all the deals coming into your life it would seem that a log home maybe in your future. First step now sign up for the class.

[loghousenut]

I ditto what Tom says in spades. I can't wait to see what your Hubby posts after he goes a bit crazy himself.

[happyquilter]

Rebecca, you are me!! I got bitten by the bug and was so determined that I was going to attend the class by myself as my combined Christmas/birthday present. My husband could not believe I was serious, lol! At the last minute I said, "Everyone on the forum says you really need to go with me, and I really want you to." So he did! Now he is as crazy as I am, and it is great to have a teammate who is totally on board and contributing instead of thinking you are slightly crazy, lol.

Before you buy anything else, get yourself and your husband to class. I promise you will not regret it, and neither will he.

Shari

[Bmetz34]

Hi everyone! My name is Brigitte. My fiance Jeremy mentioned "what if we could build the log cabin ourselves and never have a mortgage again", to me one day while I was at work. I told him he was crazy, it was too much for us to do, we'd never survive living in a trailer together for months on end. I was looking at kits for weeks, convinced it would just be better to have someone else do the work. He left it as "just do a little research and let me know how you feel. The class is in Vegas next month". So in the past couple days, I've spent about 18 hours scouring the internet and trying to find a reason not to do this.

Well we booked our flights and spots in the March class at Midnight last night!! I'm nervous/excited. I'm just hoping the energy of embarking on a new project together will last us through breaking ground and putting up walls! We are living in CT currently and want to get out! We're headed to NC this weekend to scout out some land to buy. Can't wait to meet you all and learn how we can be in charge of our own lives instead of being controlled by a $300,000 mortgage!;)

[donjuedo]

:-D


Peter

[HardmanGT]

I just want to take a minute to introduce myself, as well. I am Brigitte's (Bmetz34's) other half and I can't be any more excited about getting started with this reboot on our lives! I have been in debt, worked hard to eliminate every cent of it and then fell into the the mortgage trap when buying my first home. Ugh! The high cost of Northeast living has gotten to me and so has watching the value of my house drop month after month.

I have been breaking and rebuilding things since I was a little boy. Everything that started from tree forts, go karts, dirt bikes, quads and .22's growing up has escalated to all facets of home remodeling, engine building and guns. Growing up, I worked with my father clearing land, cutting firewood and doing stone work. He was sort of general contractor, jack of all trades, master of none, but I learned a lot and had fun along the way. We had even worked for a few years doing projects at on old hydro-electric plant including installing a catwalk system and new turbines.

I only wish I had an album of the work I had done way back then. The only pictures I have found are of me brush cutting on the old John Deer tricycle tractor and drilling bedrock for a customer's home addition. This new project will be well documented!

[HardmanGT]

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[panderson03]

Hardman, you and Brigitte were smart to take the class together! glad you took the plunge. welcome to LHBA:)

[StressMan79]

wow. 300k is cheap for the NE. Good luck wherever you go, and look forward to seeing you on the members side.

[Bmetz34]

wow. 300k is cheap for the NE. Good luck wherever you go, and look forward to seeing you on the members side.

$200-300,000 is what we were looking at for a mortgage to do a log home kit type deal in North Carolina! Couldn't even imagining tackling that up in CT!

[Kick Forward]

$200-$300k? Wow.

My loan for $150k will end up costing me $300k when all is said and done in 27 years and 8 months from now. Can't wait to say bye-bye. If I sell this house for what I bought it for (complete living room/bathroom renovation and other updates), I'll be thrilled. I don't want to take out any more loans, except for land. If it takes me 8 years to build our log house instead of 2 years because we wait until we have cash on hand before moving forward, so be it.

[BenB]

Sounds like a lot, in fact it is a lot ...... but my second stinkin' home has dropped $311K based on an appraisal just recently done. That puts me about dead even - back at about the purchase price I paid in 1996. Thankfully I'm not upside down but that was a huge amount of equity we watched slip away and it was a helpless feeling. We turned down $585K 4 years ago ...... go ahead, kick me. I do:mad:
Mighty expensive rent eh! Even worse was this one we lived in 4-5 months a year at best.
My brain must have been up my ((((whatever)))) in 2008:(

[Xsmoker]

I want to hop on board but cannot make this spring class. The website says it's sometime as long as 5 YEARS???? between classes .... say it ain't so please.
Do I sign up for class notifications now or wait until this class is done and then sign up?
Thank you-neato site. Call me ready .... just a nocandoMarchy ready.
Joe

[StressMan79]

5 years happened once. in recent memory, they have been at least a couple classes per year. Looking forward to having you on board.

-Peter

[Bmetz34]

Sounds like a lot, in fact it is a lot ...... but my second stinkin' home has dropped $311K based on an appraisal just recently done. That puts me about dead even - back at about the purchase price I paid in 1996. Thankfully I'm not upside down but that was a huge amount of equity we watched slip away and it was a helpless feeling. We turned down $585K 4 years ago ...... go ahead, kick me. I do:mad:
Mighty expensive rent eh! Even worse was this one we lived in 4-5 months a year at best.
My brain must have been up my ((((whatever)))) in 2008:(


I feel your pain!! I bought my condo for 126K and the current offer on it is 68K!!:mad: I just want it off my hands! We'll be lucky to break even on Jeremy's house and even that might be a stretch. He bought it as a foreclosure and put money into fixing it up really nicely, just to most likely lose money in the deal! So frustrating to do everything right by the books just to end up in a hole anyway.:confused: Hopefully we'll never be in this situation again!

[edkemper]

Bmetz34,

I bought my Condo in 03 for $102,000. Before the housing crash, my model was selling for $249,000. Now? I'd have to use a gun to get $65,000 I'm told. But mine is paid off. So I keep it for now. My daughter finishes High School in May. I can't afford to pay her rent when she goes to college. So the place will be occupied and it'll be cheap without a mortgage. Plus, it means we have a place to stay when we visit for personal business and family. perhaps by the time my daughter finishes her degree, maybe the economy will have re-bounded enough to get my money back.

[BoFuller]

We just completed a Short Sale of our home. Paid 375,00 at top of market and sold it for 180,000 5 yrs later. We were 120,000 upside down. Fortunately the bank completely forgave the 1st and 2nd. Just got our letter that our 1099C will be arriving soon. Woo Hoo!

[Bmetz34]

We just completed a Short Sale of our home. Paid 375,00 at top of market and sold it for 180,000 5 yrs later. We were 120,000 upside down. Fortunately the bank completely forgave the 1st and 2nd. Just got our letter that our 1099C will be arriving soon. Woo Hoo!

That's what I'm in the middle of right now... Signing a new contract today, let's hope the bank accepts this offer so this can be over. I hate that it's screwing with my credit when I worked so hard to keep my score high.

[irace2win41]

$200-300,000 is what we were looking at for a mortgage to do a log home kit type deal in North Carolina! Couldn't even imagining tackling that up in CT!


Well we will gladly welcome you to NC. Our state is fast becoming entangled in its own financial and political mess. But, there are a lot of great members in NC, SC, and VA. You'll fit in great here. Bring your camouflage!!!! You'll never regret taking the class together. Look forward to seeing you both on the "other side".


Rod

[WornOut]

That's what I'm in the middle of right now... Signing a new contract today, let's hope the bank accepts this offer so this can be over. I hate that it's screwing with my credit when I worked so hard to keep my score high.

I imagine we will be having new "norms" for credit criteria at some point. I've seen far to many plus 700's now in the 400-500s and the ding was mainly the short sale-foreclosure matter and otherwise all good.
Funny how we accept bussinesses to shed debt, via a Bankruptcy or such, and view it as a wonderful and sound practice. If a person does it --- one is damned to no end.
It will have to change as the credit scores are falling for the masses as I type this.

[HardmanGT]

Brigitte and I have done everything "right" by the traditional means. We worked hard, paid taxes, spent wisely and got screwed. We had pride in our credit scores and accomplishments. Now I just want to cry. These are things that we deemed important to us in the past are just stumbling points to our happiness now. We are taking control of our lives and getting out of the rat race. We are both fortunate when it comes to our current careers. She works in health care and the demand will make relocating and finding work easier. My company is willing to work with me and allow me to relocate. The adjustment in the cost of living index is staggering! According to the cost of living index, we are currently rated at 134 and the areas that we are researching are between 80 and 90. It's like getting a huge raise!

Right now I am paying $4.500 a year for property taxes on a 1200sq/ft ranch on 0.17 acres and will be LUCKY to get $100K for it at this rate. It makes me sick!

Is it March 16th yet :cool:

[lildrestl3]

I just ran across this Site How often are classes? Every Month or 2?

[panderson03]

HI there. WELCOME! Glad you found us:) the frequency of class really depends on the availability of the instructors. sometimes they're too busy during the building season to fit in too many classes. I hear there was 5 year period where there were NO classes (scary!!). lately they've been having several a year. we took our class Memorial day weekend in 2010.

[Kick Forward]

This class can not come soon enough. I'm dying to LLEEEAAARRRRNNNNN!!!!!!!

[panderson03]

I know. it just about killed me! waiting for the knowledge we needed begin this new chapter in our lives was very painful. I think someone told us back then that it was 'character building'. why is it that most 'character building' things are painful?? but this log home building journey is about one of the most character building things I've ever done in my life and while some times it is painful (blood, sweat and tears) it is SO MUCH more overwhelmingly positive; I wouldn't have it any other way!
one of the ways I passed the time before our class is reading EVERYTHING to be found on these public forums and asking lots of questions. I bought some log home building books too, but few of them were very helpful, as they were not geared toward this method of building (the process they teach in class). my time would have been better spent brushing up on things like electrical, plumbing, cement work, etc.
I feel your pain. it does get better:) hang in there!!

[Tom Featherstone]

This class can not come soon enough. I'm dying to LLEEEAAARRRRNNNNN!!!!!!!

And Learn You Will! Panderson gave you good advice also. I'll add that when you do get to class be like a "sponge" and absorb as much as possible. Clear your thoughts of anything else during that time. One of our advantages when we took the class was Linda took great notes, I'm more of a visual person. She caught things in class I missed and likewise in return, overall we had it covered.

Go into class with no preconceived thoughts on log homes if that's possible. Your plans will change the first day in class anyways. These instructors have this method down and will walk you through this process step by step. Any questions that arise are answered in the class. Questions that arise after can and will be answered in the Members Forum. We members that respond here, been where you are and now happy to give something back that was shared with us.

I'll look forward to the Class of March 2012 and to your contributions you'll make here.

Best of Wishes,
Tom

[Kick Forward]

Just got a new notebook in the mail from Amazon this week!

The thing I'm dying to get started on the most is designing. Even if it takes 10 years, I want to build the house exactly as I want it and I know from reading it many times that planning like that is basically pointless until taking the class. So I wait. Researching fireplaces vs. masonry heaters, foundations, log tools, cost of renting machinery...

One thing I keep getting from the forum is apprehension leaves after class and is replaced with confidence. Oh, and chinking is boring.

[loghousenut]

One thing I keep getting from the forum is apprehension leaves after class and is replaced with confidence. Oh, and chinking is boring.

You said it all in a nutshell right there! Once you realize that you can do it, the project becomes reality instead of something you have always wished you could do.


Strong in this one the force is!



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[panderson03]

GREAT! get a sturdy pencil and you're all set:) class actually hands out a note book with the basic concepts already recorded. we used the ample margins to jot down our notes FWIW. if design is your thing, I don't think its a bad idea to start thinking about what you need vs what you want in a home. for us, a mud room was a definite need:) good luck!

[Dario Andrea]

Hi all I am a new member and I would be in Vegas class, cannot wait to be there! I been waiting for this four long years, then relocating in Alaska to build my cabin and Art Studio/workshop.

Dario Andrea

[Dario Andrea]

Hi all I am a new member and I would be in Vegas class, cannot wait to be there! I been waiting for this four long years, then happily relocating in Alaska to build my cabin and Art Studio/workshop in the mountains.

Dario Andrea

[Tom Featherstone]

[QUOTE=loghousenut;69556]You said it all in a nutshell right there! Once you realize that you can do it, the project becomes reality instead of something you have always wished you could do.


Strong in this one the force is!



Yes! Master LHN! I agree. One Step at a time is what's next for young Jedi. They will be another awesome addition along with the others that will join both of them in March along with all recent ones that have taken that first step.

Welcome Again All New Incoming Members. See you on the Members side soon!

[Mosseyme]

Kick Forward,
Can't wait to hear what you say on the other side. Some folks you just have great expectations for. See you there.

[Danita]

Hi Dario! Welcome! See you there! I was one that watched and read this site for YEARS and am finally going .....in....3.... weeks!! can't wait!!

[Pitstop]

Quick question

What time does the class usually end on sunday?

Pitstop

[panderson03]

class is about 11 hours each day. get done somewhere around 7pm or so on sunday.

[Ellsworth]

Quick question

What time does the class usually end on sunday?

Pitstop

We shoot for an 8pm end time, but that can be plus or minus 1 hour. Each class is just a little different depending on questions asked.

If you need to fly home Sunday night, then I'd recommend that you try for a very late flight.

[Rebecca Todd]

Dear Ellsworth. This is Rebecca. Please, please schedule another class after May 12, 2012. That's when my next schedule stops. We have to schedule at my hospital that far in advance. I have a great boss, and she is willing to work with me to get to Vegas. Any others out there who are waiting for the next class, please let them know. Got a bad case of log cabin fever and no doctor can help me.:o

[lildrestl3]

Dear Ellsworth. This is Rebecca. Please, please schedule another class after May 12, 2012. That's when my next schedule stops. We have to schedule at my hospital that far in advance. I have a great boss, and she is willing to work with me to get to Vegas. Any others out there who are waiting for the next class, please let them know. Got a bad case of log cabin fever and no doctor can help me.:o Yea What She said

[Ellsworth]

We often have a class on Memorial Day weekend. That will probably happen again this year. Folks on our email list (http://www.loghomebuilders.org/alert)would hear about it first, and get the chance to sign up early.

[Bmetz34]

2 weeks from today and we'll be learning!!!! I've never been this excited to go to class! I've been so antsy trying not to buy or decide anything until after class. I've been browsing ebay for hard hats and ear protection, and I'm going to Staples this weekend to get some notebooks for class since you probably can't go wrong with those things! I know Jeremy has been tempted to buy dowels for a model project. I'm really resisting the urge to go browse Goodwill etc for furniture and anything else we could use. I've just been browsing the forums here and counting down the days! I've been eying a piece of property in NC for a few days. Can't make a trip to go see it until mid April at the earliest, so that works for going to class first before deciding... how is everyone else doing? Waiting patiently?

[loghousenut]

Just remember... What happens in Vegas... Will most likely affect your Grandkids!


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[Kick Forward]

I hear you Bmetz. I've even been looking at property for around a year. We'd drive 600 miles to Kentucky to visit family, but squeeze in as much time as we could looking at houses, farms, and land. We even already have a realtor. We've been fixing up our house for half a year now to sell, getting close! I've already decided on so many different plans at this point it's driving me nuts. My sister-in-law just finished building their house (24x16) for $5k. They have an outhouse, no plumbing, and run electric from a family member's house close by. They built it as a future guesthouse/studio to live in as they build their bigger one now, much like are our plans. I'm really hoping we can build a log home quick and cheaply. I figure it'll take around 5 years or so, totally guestimating, to build the complete house I want. If we rent for those years, we could easily spend $30k+ waiting for our house to be built, so I hope we can build a smaller guest house first to live in on the property and save the rent. That means building twice instead of once, but I know my taste in stuff, even if I can save a lot of money building for myself, I'll just reinvest it somewhere else.... so wanting to pay out of pocket for our 'dream' house, I know I'm ambitious, but it could take a while. ;)

Yeah, I could babble on for a while, I really need the class so I can start making forward progress. I've looked at dozens of places online that sell telehandlers, compared different generator motors, looked at demo hammers, foundation examples.... on and on and on.... I can't wait for members side.

[Bmetz34]

My sister-in-law just finished building their house (24x16) for $5k. They have an outhouse, no plumbing, and run electric from a family member's house close by. They built it as a future guesthouse/studio to live in as they build their bigger one now, much like are our plans. I'm really hoping we can build a log home quick and cheaply..

We just started talking about building something small first to live in, so that we can take the time we need to build cheap. I saw in the forums that someone here put in a walk out basement, then got the walls and roof of the house up, and got their CO to live in their basement while taking their time to build. This is one of the options we're tossing around. We'll probably be living in a camper at some point, but hopefully only for a matter of months. I think we'll kill each other if it's any longer than that. We also talked about maybe building a log garage with an office on top and living out of there while building our actual log home. It'll serve as a practice round too. I'm sure we'll be better able to make a decision after the class.

P.S. I just started looking at telehandlers today and it looks like a really fun toy to have that would be put to good use! Just so hard to know where/when we can buy things as it'd be a pain to drag any big items down from CT to NC where we'll build.

[Kick Forward]

I know the post you're talking about, I read that too. I couldn't picture it well though. I guess there was no steps leading upstairs? What about when it rains...

The garage idea is a good thought. I want a very large garage though, so that'd take just as long probably as building a small home. I don't foresee how I can move onto our property quickly without building a permanent home structure since I work from home and need an office setup.

Yeah I highly doubt I'll buy much of anything until we move, definitely not a telehandler, ha. The cost of shipping it alone makes it smart to wait to see if you can get one locally. My wife just got a job at Lowe's so now we get 10% off everything so that may come in handy. I have a new Jeep and am interested in hearing how you can put up a structure without large machinery like that at first. If we make a smaller house first, it'd be cool to use a 4x4 vehicle and some pulleys I guess to learn the 'old school' way and save money. I'm not that great with heights so I'd like the assistance of some type of boom/fork lift for sure eventually. If we're already living debt-free in a small house on our own land, the next place can be more of a work of art and there's no rush to get it completed.

[marronnin]

Bmetz & Kick Forward, are you talking about this families house in Canada... They are living in the basement while building up the rest: http://buildingblocks08.blogspot.com/

[Zetmandu]

Welcome all soon to be members. As Im sure you have already been told many times so far, the class is great and you will regret nothing. We look forward to having you all aboard soon.

Bmetz34, I see you are looking for land in NC, what area. Im in NC also

[Kick Forward]

marronnin, I read about it recently somewhere, but haven't seen that blog so I'm not sure. I'm too new here to remember names yet, ha.

[Bmetz34]

Welcome all soon to be members. As Im sure you have already been told many times so far, the class is great and you will regret nothing. We look forward to having you all aboard soon.

Bmetz34, I see you are looking for land in NC, what area. Im in NC also

We took a trip down a week ago and saw Vance County and kind of ruled that out. Coming from CT, we didn't realize how spread out everything was when we had the idea of "out in the country somewhere". Up here that means that you don't have a neighbor for a mile, and can make it to the grocery store in under 10 minutes. Seems in NC, that means good luck getting electric in, and you might make it to the nearest grocery store in a half hour. We looked a little in Stokes county, but all the land we found was too steep to really use much of. I'm really excited about some of the things I'm seeing in Rutherford County. I really like the feel of Forest City and Rutherfordton. Being outside city limits, but still somewhere where we can go into town relatively quickly, and we can raise a future family, and I can make friends. And the landscape near the mountains is beautiful. The land is more expensive and for less acreage, but we'll see. We'll probably take a trip down in April, after we have the knowledge from the class, and scout out a few more properties. Unfortunately, the foothills of the mountains are about 14 hours away for us, so it's not too easy to get there.

[Bmetz34]

Marronnin- I'm not sure if it's the same family. I only read about someone talking about them.

Kickforward- Jeremy works from a home office as well, so having a living space with internet etc is something we have to get to first.

[edkemper]

Kick,

I was thinking of first building a garage also. But then I found out that my building department won't give me a permit for a garage. I only get one when I get the house permits.

But I can build a 14x14 (under 200sf) without any permits and no inspections. So that's what we'll do before getting our permits for the house.

[Zetmandu]

Bmetz,
True, out in the country here is a lot different than out in the country in CT. it all depends on exactly what you are looking for too though and as you have already noticed the closer you get to civilization the more the land is. The mtn area of NC is hard to beat and if thats where you end up deciding on you might want to contact Blane. He is one of the frequent contributors here and is in the process of building now and not too far from that area and might have some god contacts up that way. I live in the central part and while certainly not as pretty as the mtn area up that way it still has some beautiful areas and the price is still right in a lot of the areas. Good luck on your search!!

[Kick Forward]

Hi Ed, I think I've read that before on here. The more I learn, the more I realize how much planning and research has to be done before purchasing property. We may end up building a bit further from the town my wife's family is in, but a neighboring county I'm told has no zoning laws. The counties are much smaller in Kentucky than the ones here in PA so there's lots of options. The trick is finding beautiful property I'll want to live on for the rest of my life which'll support all of my needs (i.e., hunting area, running water, good farm land, lots of woods, secluded) but still close enough to visit family often and get high-speed internet.... We've been looking for a long time so far and haven't found the right place yet. All in good time.

- Josh

[Zetmandu]

Josh,
Couple things you might want to consider if you dont know about them already as far as internet is concerned in case you find that perfect piece of land but internet capability is the holdup is either internet by dish which is pretty much available anywhere you are no matter how remote although it wont be the cheapest option but prices have come down on that the last few years. The other option, which is what I use a lot is a set up with the verizon, others may have it also, but it uses your phone as a modem to connect to the internet. Its as fast as your cell signal is strong basically. So if you were to have a good cell signal you might have 3G or maybe even 4G speed. That option costs me about 25 a month on top of my normal cell plan

[Kick Forward]

Do you mean satellite internet? I've looked into that and it's not that fast and they cap your usage. I can look into 3/4G coverage, but I doubt that too will work. I work remotely as a user interface designer working on websites, software, applications... I need good service to be able to video conference and upload/download large files. I'd love to do my 'city job' in the middle of nowhere, but it'll mostly likely be somewhere just outside of town. We'll see what happens. It's possible I won't even have a job once we move!

[Zetmandu]

yes, the satellite internet was what I was referring to. I checked into it briefly a couple of years ago and while it would of worked for my own needs the cost at that time was still more then I was willing to pay. The 3g/4g coverage thing has worked out pretty well when Ive needed so far, but not sure I would have the same requirements as you do. I have used it for some web conferences and skype and for those times its been quite sufficient. Although i would imagine if you need it for heavy downloads they might cap that too. I think with my plan they cap it at 5 gig a month which is plenty for me but think there is a plan with unlimited but not sure if they throttle it down after so much usage or not

[Kick Forward]

The cap I can't live with. Speeds.... I can manage. But if I appear to be unreliable at all... well I like to be valuable to my clients. I don't remember if all satellite is capped, but I think it is from what I found. The best I found was like 10% the speed of what I have now for $150/month and I could easily use up all the bandwidth in a week if not careful. I really don't care about the price, it's a business expense, but sheesh for $150+ a month they better not tell me when I can and can't use it.

It's one thing I plan on figuring out more though. Reading the thread on off grid living and I'm thinking, "how are all these people constantly updating this forum if they're living off grid?" I can always get studio space in-town, but I'd prefer to work from the property since we plan on having a farm as well.

[BoFuller]

It's one thing I plan on figuring out more though. Reading the thread on off grid living and I'm thinking, "how are all these people constantly updating this forum if they're living off grid?" I can always get studio space in-town, but I'd prefer to work from the property since we plan on having a farm as well.

We have a trailer on our property with solar but I'm only there on weekends for now. I have to come back to the city to work. I do all my internet while back here. So far I don't want phone or internet at the property. I prefer the break. Once we are full-time there, then we will probably go satellite or something.

[Cor]

Well, I just joined. Josh, I, too have a fair amount of skepticism--primarily because I have a hard time understanding why we would be going to Las Vegas to learn log cabin building. It makes sense that it was taught in a log cabin the woods of Washington for all those years. But I keep wondering, 'is this legit?' A hotel...in Vegas?

Anyway, lump in throat...I'm doing this. I look forward to learning with the rest of you. I, too, have been looking at land, but am waiting to put any offers down until after the class. See you in less than two weeks!

Corey

[Bmetz34]

Well, I just joined. Josh, I, too have a fair amount of skepticism--primarily because I have a hard time understanding why we would be going to Las Vegas to learn log cabin building. It makes sense that it was taught in a log cabin the woods of Washington for all those years. But I keep wondering, 'is this legit?' A hotel...in Vegas?

Corey

Corey,
From what I've read and looked into, the reason for Vegas is that it's a lot more cost effective than flying to Washington state for most people. Direct flights from most cities, tons of affordable accommodations etc. While I too wondered how we'd learn to build in a conference room, I think the concept has always been taking all the information you can, and applying it when you start your home (or help someone else with theirs). I don't think, even in Washington, that the students were running around outside piling up logs. I'm a hands-on type of learner but I think this will be a very effective instruction method. I wouldn't say I'm particularly handy, (luckily my fiance is), but I think I'm pretty good at following instructions, so that should be enough. Plus we'll have access to the member's side of the forums after and a ton of information that will cover whatever questions we have after class! Wow I sound like I've already drunk the kool-aid!

[Kick Forward]

Hey Corey, looking forward to meeting all you great folks. I was skeptical, but I was also so darn excited to have found a way of building my own home (and living debt free) that I jumped in and asked questions later. I'm sure we'll all show up on the first morning kind of feeling out the place, ha! It may seem strange, but everything I've read about LHBA is rooted in being self-reliant and living frugally, so don't think of Las Vegas as the glitzy casino place, think of it as an economical travel destination for people in the U.S. I have little worries after reading through almost every thread of this forum, only a ton more questions now!

- Josh

[Zetmandu]

Bmetz...the cool aid is even better tasting on the members side.:p

[edkemper]

I'm far enough outside a major city that there is a cell service dead zone in my area. Sometimes, I "may" get cell service at one end of my property and nothing at the other end. It doesn't matter who the company is.

So I've been looking into getting a cell tower on my property that would end a dead zone for travelers and residents. I found they pay about a grand a month to put one in place. I have enough property that it won't interfere with any site lines. It would be a helpful income as it goes toward keeping my Farm Use Only tax rate.

[Bmetz34]

Bmetz...the cool aid is even better tasting on the members side.:p


Yum, can't wait!! I hear that's where you keep the rum!

[Tom Featherstone]

Corey,
From what I've read and looked into, the reason for Vegas is that it's a lot more cost effective than flying to Washington state for most people. Direct flights from most cities, tons of affordable accommodations etc. While I too wondered how we'd learn to build in a conference room, I think the concept has always been taking all the information you can, and applying it when you start your home (or help someone else with theirs). I don't think, even in Washington, that the students were running around outside piling up logs. I'm a hands-on type of learner but I think this will be a very effective instruction method. I wouldn't say I'm particularly handy, (luckily my fiance is), but I think I'm pretty good at following instructions, so that should be enough. Plus we'll have access to the member's side of the forums after and a ton of information that will cover whatever questions we have after class! Wow I sound like I've already drunk the kool-aid!

I'll never forget the look on everyones face when we arrived for our class, in this cow/horse pasture, looking for the dog "Fang"! "Did we just get Had?" look was on everyone of us.

Vegas is only about making it as cheap as possible for people coming from anywhere... not just the US. You Will learn what you need to know if you listen like a "sponge" absorbs water. Be there ahead of time with a fresh, rested, open mind, you will gain much more. Your focus and direction will be much clearer after the class.

Relax.... Learn and Enjoy! I don't think anybody's been bitten by "Fang" in Vegas. But "Log-itous", you'll all catch there.

Best Wishes!
Tom

[edkemper]

The only real downside with having the class in Vegas is if you can't get to the class in the morning because you were up late enjoying the sins of Vegas. Otherwise, it's much easier and cheaper for most of the country.

[blane]

Brigitte we have been living in our 800sq' single wide with 5 children for going on three years now so don't expect to do it in a few months. But the plus side is no debt:) Feel free to read our blog below to get a taste of the adventure you are about to get into.

Blane
Hi everyone! My name is Brigitte. My fiance Jeremy mentioned "what if we could build the log cabin ourselves and never have a mortgage again", to me one day while I was at work. I told him he was crazy, it was too much for us to do, we'd never survive living in a trailer together for months on end. I was looking at kits for weeks, convinced it would just be better to have someone else do the work. He left it as "just do a little research and let me know how you feel. The class is in Vegas next month". So in the past couple days, I've spent about 18 hours scouring the internet and trying to find a reason not to do this.

Well we booked our flights and spots in the March class at Midnight last night!! I'm nervous/excited. I'm just hoping the energy of embarking on a new project together will last us through breaking ground and putting up walls! We are living in CT currently and want to get out! We're headed to NC this weekend to scout out some land to buy. Can't wait to meet you all and learn how we can be in charge of our own lives instead of being controlled by a $300,000 mortgage!;)

[Mosseyme]

It is always so interesting to the members to watch the excitement and sceptisim of those headed to class.
We were all there once, for me only 2 years ago.
I had no doubts from basically 1 hour into reading this forum that this was absolutely for us.
We were well into logging our trees to JUST DO IT buy the seat of our pants so this find was a miracle to us.
We were at the last class in Washington I think, and I can say I'm really glad we got in on that one but I would do Vegas in a heartbeat if that were the only choice.
The big difference is the scenery and that you get to see a completed structure and touch the logs.
There will be little difference in what you can learn.
The other advantage to WA. is that we went sightseeing in the mountains for a couple of days after the class looking at all the log homes saying aahh, oh, no, that is a kit, that is a kit, another kit. Then we were traveling along and suddenly Gary said, THERE'S ONE, and behold there at the edge of the National forest boundery was a Skip type butt and pass log home.
We spun around and drove up the driveway, went snooping around to find a human who graciously showed us around his beautiful home.
He was a much younger than we are and had some skills that he further developed in the building. I believe he said it was 4 years since he started building and they had moved in just a month before.
He said he worked almost entirely on his own with just a little help in a couple of areas.
I believe his home was 40'x50' 2 and 1/2 stories, 4' diameter ridgepole, huge wall logs. Hired a crane to set the ridgepole but otherwise set the logs himself using a very large track hoe.
I may have messed up some detail but it was awesome. Sunken livingroom, heated floors, everything beautiful.
That find was very climatic for us. We just spent 2 eleven hour days trying to soak it all up and learn as much as we could, but to see it done, and just being finished, by one man working alone was the clincher.
I wish all the newbees could have that experience.
YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED IN THE CLASS!!! And like they say, the coolaid is even sweeter on the other side.

[Cor]

Several testimonials say that it can be built in weeks or months (Father and daughter build shell in 2 weeks). Is it because you are working on it only on Saturdays that it is taking longer? Or is three years normal?

[Zetmandu]

Will certainly have to agree with everything those posting here before me have had to say. While Vegas isnt the obvious choice to learn how to build you own log home, its does help people from all over be able to get to a location that has tons of flights going in and out and even more hotel choices. Like Tom and most of the rest here I suppose in the beginning there was this thought of "am I going to be had" if I do this. The thought of signing up for the class paying the money and realize too late its all a scam of some sort was on my mind until about 5 minutes after class started. That's when I realized that everything I had been reading for hours and hours in the days,weeks and months leading up to it were in fact true. I havent had one moment of doubt ever since. Ive had the pleasure of meeting Blane, Jay, Cruiser and Shelia and seeing Blanes beautiful home in progress.

I use to travel around in an RV for my job going from site to site until the day I parked it to live on land within a few hundred yards of my build site. I use to think that the RV crowd was one of the best most helpful friendliest groups in the world as Ive had people in the camp grounds that had never met me or had any idea who I was be out helping me doing some kind of emergency repair in the Southern heat and humidity of summer and never complain once or ask for anything. I never thought that group of people could be beat, until I found the people here. Once you get to the members side there will be nothing someone will not try and help you with or offer guidance on and best of all its coming from people who are actually doing it and doing because they want to and not because they are getting paid or some other alternative reason.

Once you start building your own home, it will be the toughest most challenging work you will more than likely ever do, but also the most rewarding knowing that when its all said and done you can look back and say wow, sure glad I took that class!!!

[Bmetz34]

From what I've read, if you do it true to Skip's method, you spend years. A lot of it is waiting and saving and collecting things. Plus the point is to pay cash when you have it, so you might have to wait to have the funds before you can dole out any money for another chunk. For us, we're hoping for a year or under. I know we might have to do a smallish loan to make this happen, but I guess you do what you have to. In our case, our sanity is worth speeding things up a bit and maybe paying a bit more than we would if we could stretch it out. But other people are probably more patient and tolerant of each other than we are. We're both kind of stubborn and independent and like our space, so where I can see the ideal of sticking it out in a trailer for 5 years, I don't know that it's for us. But then again, we haven't taken the class yet, so everything could change!

But it seems the shell going up might be the quickest part of everything. I've seen an estimate for 2 days for the first course, and then a full day for each course after that. I didn't realize until after going through a few members pictures, how much of the work is done after the shell goes up. But I also never put any thought into building a house before we signed up for class. I might be able to take a "hiatus" from work for a couple months when we move down, and Jeremy works from home, so we're hoping to get a big chunk done while we're both around semi-full time. I guess a lot depends on what tools you have and how much time you have.

[blane]

That is about the average for folks who have to work a full time job and build on the side. The folks who built that shell in two weeks were building a small 1 story meeting hall. You can get a shell up in about three months but you have a long way to go after that. Then factor your time peeling logs foundation work and milling timbers. It all adds up to time. Rockclimber can get a place in the dry seemingly over night but he has experience and equipment and a great partner that works with him and they go at it full time.
Several testimonials say that it can be built in weeks or months (Father and daughter build shell in 2 weeks). Is it because you are working on it only on Saturdays that it is taking longer? Or is three years normal?

[Mosseyme]

Bmetz34,
You may not have much time to get on each others nerves in a camper or trailer or whatever if you are truly moving to get a home built quickly. The phrase, Sleep, eat,work, eat, work,eat, work, sleep come to mind. My thought is that this for most of us is a journey not a sprint. If you want fast it will cost you a lot more. There are those that can make that happen for you. Ronnie rckclimber comes to mind. If after your class you still want to do this because you see the quality and beauty of this type of log home and don't mind spending the $$$$, go for it. If you want to do this and love the journey and save a lot and maybe not have a mortgage that can be done but will take time. Just because you have a shell up does not mean you have a place to live unless you don't mind roughing it. We lived in an unfinished basement with a bath, roughed in kitchen and space for two years while we finished our stickbuilt house 25 years ago with three children. So the point is a lot of choices will have to be made and for every choice you make there are other choices you chose not.

[Cor]

So how many people are usually in a fully enrolled course? The class looks like it is nearly full.

[blane]

The Murphys lived in a camper for two and half years with 4 children while they built their home. Cindy is right, no time to worry about your living conditions when you are so exhausted you will sleep on a rock if you can find one. Truth is the experience has been the best thing I could have done for my children. They do not focus on themselves very much and have learned the value of family.
My 10 year old once said our 35 year old single wide is her favorite place she has lived, keep in mind we had to chase many snakes out of it to make it halfway livable. We asked her why and her answer was she liked to be close so she could cuddle more.
Being debt free is a lifestyle change from the typical American dream that says I want what I want when I want it. Sometimes I fear patience comes with age and realizing our past mistakes that lead to bondage. If you are young you have more time than I do so don't feel like you have to keep up with every body else. Enjoy the journey and learn from those a little older than you and your marriages will be more important than your house and or other stuff.
Thats my 2 cents worth.

[blane]

I think about 50

[Bmetz34]

Thanks for the words of wisdom. Maybe we will learn some patience in class. We have toyed with the idea of roughing in a walkout basement and staying in there while continuing to build. I'm open to whatever we can do to make this a fun, enjoyable (although I definitely don't expect easy) project for us. I can only hope it will strengthen our relationship as it seems to have done for many of you.

[jrdavis]

Bmetz...the cool aid is even better tasting on the members side.:p

But thats only because there are videos and pictures to boot!!!! :)

[rckclmbr428]

Bmetz34,
You may not have much time to get on each others nerves in a camper or trailer or whatever if you are truly moving to get a home built quickly. The phrase, Sleep, eat,work, eat, work,eat, work, sleep come to mind. My thought is that this for most of us is a journey not a sprint. If you want fast it will cost you a lot more. There are those that can make that happen for you. Ronnie rckclimber comes to mind. If after your class you still want to do this because you see the quality and beauty of this type of log home and don't mind spending the $$$$, go for it. If you want to do this and love the journey and save a lot and maybe not have a mortgage that can be done but will take time. Just because you have a shell up does not mean you have a place to live unless you don't mind roughing it. We lived in an unfinished basement with a bath, roughed in kitchen and space for two years while we finished our stickbuilt house 25 years ago with three children. So the point is a lot of choices will have to be made and for every choice you make there are other choices you chose not.

I like it when I come to mind! Your home can be built in two of three ways, good, fast and cheap. If its fast and cheap, it wont be good, good and cheap, wont be fast, good and fast, wont be cheap. in an ideal setting I can put a35x35 under a finished roof with insulation in about month. But I have been building my whole life, and have been building lhba-ish style homes for over 4 years full time. And I will be working 12 hr days 7 days a week during that month. There are alot of people on the forums that build the entire home themselves, and there are people that get halfway and dont want to get on the roof, and call me to come put the roof structure on for them, and then there some that drink the kool-aid, believe in the style, but dont want to do the work, and call me to build the whole thing for them. no right or wrong way to do it, some people can have a build budget of 3-400k and still do it debt free, some people scratch and roll pennies, and get a nice home for 50-75k, but they spend 5 years doing it. No right or wrong way, just depends on your situation and expectations

[HardmanGT]

It's getting close, one week away!

[VinceHarris]

Well I may have been the last person to sign up for the class but I'm in!

[panderson03]

welcome VinceHarris! congratulations on taking the leap and signing up for class! welcome to the family:)

[introducer]

Cannot wait for the class. This week is going to be so looooong! Be there on Friday night, staying in Mandalay Bay ($110 a nite Priceline) any Floridians going?

[VinceHarris]

I haven't booked a hotel, I have a few possible connections there but If anyone wants to split a room I would even sleep on the floor. Either way I'm sure I will be fine I just want to explore some options!

[SusieQUSMC]

Hi there - I will be in the class this coming weekend and looking to share a room with another person Fri, Sat, & Sun - ladies only, thanks! :) Susie

[StressMan79]

QUSMC,

I'll bet you could take care of yourself... but point taken... Not that I'll be looking for a place to stay in vegas.

BTW, thank you for your service.

[jrdavis]

SuZQ.
Semper Fi.
Enjoy that OJT in Vegas....uhuh.
you are about ot get more "Knowledge" than you got in 12 weeks.

You will do fine... There will be NO yelling, screaming OR pushups. Unless you want to show off :)

See you on the other side.
JD

[Danita]

Well, it's been a while since I posted to welcome the other newbies (like me) but I just wanted to say "hi" and I can't wait to see ya'll there!

I will be getting in there late Friday night--does anyone know how to look up a weather forcast for the weekend in Vegas? That would be helpful for me.

I have been "out-of-pocket" due to an illness in my family but it looks like all is much better and I am good to go--was really sweating it last week.

[fishlkmich]

Well, it's been a while since I posted to welcome the other newbies (like me) but I just wanted to say "hi" and I can't wait to see ya'll there!

I will be getting in there late Friday night--does anyone know how to look up a weather forcast for the weekend in Vegas? That would be helpful for me.

I have been "out-of-pocket" due to an illness in my family but it looks like all is much better and I am good to go--was really sweating it last week.

It rarely rains in Vegas, but I'm going. Rain/wind predicted for Saturday and Sunday. May hit 60 on Saturday, but 50s on Sunday. 40s both nights.

See you there!

Mark

[Danita]

Thanks, Mark, It looks like I had better bring a jacket. We've had unseasonably warm winter down here in north Louisiana, just was wondering about Vegas. I'll be there!!

[ZachBarth]

I haven't booked a hotel, I have a few possible connections there but If anyone wants to split a room I would even sleep on the floor. Either way I'm sure I will be fine I just want to explore some options!

Hey Vince, You should check the Golden Spike, I paid $50 a night (It is a bit off the strip)

Can't wait to get some Log Building Knowledge!

-Zach

[Cruiser]

Danita, we are in north MS, so not too far away. Hopefully we can swap some work and fun in the future. We look forward to having you and all the rest taking the class join the fray!

[SusieQUSMC]

Lol! Thanks Stressman & JD - I desperately need the break from the intensity. Love the Marine Corps but looking forward to learning a new craft and meeting some fab new folks! I would love to learn how to build a log desk at some point too. Moving back to CO in June... See you all in Vegas...Hoorah!

[Kick Forward]

So I picked up my first tool for after class. I got it at a good price (I think) so I went with it. I'm not sure how old it is, but I think it's probably at least 80 years old. It looks like it's been decently taken care of. It has a 54" bar. I should be able to take care of logs 50" wide. If I play my cards right, I think I'll be able to build my floors with 2 courses of logs each.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/6984605033_422695b5f1_z.jpg

[loghousenut]

Hey Kicker,

I like you. You're an optimist.



A guy who want to use that saw would be an asset at a peeling party!

[Danita]

Cruiser, HI! Yes, I hadd noticed ya'll and am looking forward to meeting "on the other side".:o I realized that ya'll would have the same issues with weather that I have here in north Louisiana. Am already planning a trip that way in the future with my work gloves on!
Thanks for the welcome!

Kickforward, that is a great find! But I would probably paint a picture on it and hang it on a wall! It has probably cut down many a tree. See you at class!

[blane]

You all have fun and take lots of notes and get plenty of rest so your minds will be fresh to soak in all the info.

[Kick Forward]

I have to use it at least once. Else, every time I look at it hanging above the fireplace I'll feel like a poser.

[loghousenut]

I'll pose!http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/loghousenut/lumberjack-75.jpg

[Kick Forward]

you're doing it wrong. you're supposed to hang it off the end of your line and toss it into a stream.

[Bill FL]

Cannot wait for the class. This week is going to be so looooong! Be there on Friday night, staying in Mandalay Bay ($110 a nite Priceline) any Floridians going?

Hey Introducer - fellow Floridian here! My wife and I will be at the class - flying out tomorrow afternoon. We live in the Orlando area but will be building in North Florida. What part of Florida are you from?

[introducer]

Hi Bill
I am from Clearwater but currently in a process of selling my house there and moving to New Smyrna Beach. I am working in DeLand Hospital helping them establish new interventional cardiology progam. I was thinking about getting some land around there close enough to be able to build and work at the same time. Eventually I would like to build somewhere in Smokies/Blue Mountains area. I am flying out of Orlando but in the evening almost 8pm. I am sure we will get together at the class.
See you there.:D

[fishlkmich]

Plane was supposed to leave Detroit at 9:16. Now 9:20. Say that they need a pilot. Who knew?

[loghousenut]

I think I could get the thing in the air. Have the airline PM me.



Don't wait too long... It's almost cocktail time again.

[VinceHarris]

Made it to Vegas! See ya in the morning!

[HardmanGT]

3 hours to go! Can't wait to get to class this morning!

[panderson03]

I wonder what they're all thinking .... :)

[Tom Featherstone]

I wonder what they're all thinking .... :)

The same thing we all did ..... This is for Real!

[Tom Featherstone]

Congratulations to our Newest Members!

After you become Full members "Check In" in the Members Only section. We started a thread after the last class to try to catch your after thoughts and a place to possibly reintroduce yourself in our secure "Members Only" section. A single place where we can get to know you a bit. We're All looking forward to hearing about you and your comments now after you've been to class. This is not a requirement of LHBA.

Welcome and Congratulations Again!

Tom

[Bmetz34]

I wonder what they're all thinking .... :)

Second day, lunch break. Starting to go a little cross eyed!

[Ellsworth]

Awesome class thus far imho.

We have a great bunch of folks here. They showed up with a super high level of enthusiasm. This 17 page thread (as of last Friday) should have been a giveaway that this group was excited to come and learn. Like a race horse at the gate, rearing to go and biting at the bit ;) Good times.

And we have never received so many forum activation requests, before the end of a class. Gee, we haven't even give instructions for that yet :D So don't worry, I'm sure everyone will be rushing to the member's side once they catch up on some Zzzzz's or get back home.

A big congratulations to DG and Missy -- who were married here in Vegas on the Friday before the class! I'm honored that they made LHBA part of their 'marriage story,' and Steve and I wish them the best on their journey through life together as husband and wife.

[Plumb Level]

Welcome March 2012 class!

[houndog1970]

ok ellsworth... question one. where is the upgrade section of my profile??? I dont see one....

[Jane Doe]

Oh how I laughed, and laughed, and then kept on laughing. Where do you find these photos LHN???

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/loghousenut/lumberjack-75.jpg

[loghousenut]

Oh how I laughed, and laughed, and then kept on laughing. Where do you find these photos LHN???

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/loghousenut/lumberjack-75.jpg

That's Ellsworth at the B. Allen Mackie School of Log House Building. It was before his beard turned red and I figure he was about 12 or 15 years old. Skip paid for him to take the Mackie class so he'd have a well rounded education. It was a 6 month class that was held at an abandoned logging camp and Ellsworth said he liked everything except the dining hall... Something about an Asian chef.

PS... Glad to see you're back, Ms. Doe.

[rreidnauer]

Oh boy LHN, you're playin' with fire makin' stories about E!!!

Besides, we all know that was when he a was at the all-you-can-eat happy hour at Osaka's.

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