ATV with a good winch

[Francis]

Hi all, just an other question..

A good winch of an ATV can pull trees of 35'?

The winch of an ATV with pulley system can be use to mount the wall?

Thanks you very much!

I know,,,

I will try to atttend to one of the classe, but for the moment i try to imagine what material i will need!

[loghousenut]

Depends on your logs and the terrain. Moving logs is not a huge issue and there are many options. For example the 9,000 lb telehandler that made my log moving easy cost me the price of two used ATV's and I'll get my money back when I'm done with it. It is discussed in class in great detail.




The one my Son is standing on weighs 13,000 lbs.



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[Francis]

Nice idea, to buy or lease a lifthandler to mount the wall, thank you!

My english is so horrible, maybe im not really clear...

When i ask if an ATV can move logs, its just after they were cuted in the wood... (I dont want to go with telehandler in to the forest.. it will make lots of damage on it, the forest and the Lift)

An ATV with a winch can pull out of the forest the logs with a good winch?

[Timberwolf]

Nice idea, to buy or lease a lifthandler to mount the wall, thank you!

My english is so horrible, maybe im not really clear...

When i ask if an ATV can move logs, its just after they were cuted in the wood... (I dont want to go with telehandler in to the forest.. it will make lots of damage on it, the forest and the Lift)

An ATV with a winch can pull out of the forest the logs with a good winch?

Maybe...not. A small White Pine, with a 12" top and 16" butt, 35 feet long weights about 1500 lbs.

A BIG atv weighs maybe 750lbs. Something is on the losing end there.

There are ways the ATV can assist you in your build. Just takes some out of the box thinking.

Take the class. ;)

[Francis]

Yeah i know that i have to take the class... but share idea must be free! no?

I agree that the method to build butt'n'pass skip style must be learn in class..thats ok.

But we can help each other outside of the main subject... build the house... no?

Thanks :)

[Timber]

you have several ways you can do it...the ole time and money dee.lee.o. the skip home / a 3 story 50 x 50 done with block n tackle a jeep n sweat equity. alot are going with reach lifts to speed up the process and working alone it will help

everything, including getting free help is all touched on in class

we cant go into details on construction .... that is for the members side...
class just puts the dream 1 step closer :)

[rreidnauer]

If you don't just drag them through the dirt, but instead put down small logs perpendicular to drag it across, it will move a whole lot easier. The hardest part is getting moving. (static friction) Once you got it going (dynamic friction) its a lot easier. Still, I don't know if an ATV is up to the task, especially if you have to go uphill even a little. Sounds like a lot to ask, but maybe a good size utility version can get it done.

[greenthumb]

Hi all, just an other question..

A good winch of an ATV can pull trees of 35'?

The winch of an ATV with pulley system can be use to mount the wall?

Thanks you very much!

I know,,,

I will try to atttend to one of the classe, but for the moment i try to imagine what material i will need!

First off, the instructors don't recommend members do their own logging, in fact they strongly advise against it. But some folks do and it works for them... I've done some of my own but already had prior experience. I've used a Bombardier 500 cc atv some with logging and it works sometimes if conditions are right. The biggest obstacle is the lack of traction, but my tires are worn out. A 35' house log is really heavy, and dragging it is really hard on the ATV on flat ground, add some rough terrain in and you're gonna be beating your head against the wall. The 2500lb winch I have on the ATV had a tough time moving the logs too.

A log skidding device should help, I planned to build my own but ended up skidding most of them with my 4x4 truck- a 7000 lb diesel truck is much stronger than the ATV. I also built a pole trailer to haul them but that's a topic for another post...

Log skidding devices, just a few examples:
http://www.montanajacks.com/browseproducts/Montana-Jacks-QuadSkidder-w-Chain-Kit.HTML
https://picasaweb.google.com/CQ.DE.KC8FA/LogArch
https://picasaweb.google.com/CQ.DE.KC8FA/TheLogWreckerAkaLogArch
I've seen some other good ideas over at The Forestry Forum.

There have been a few other members who have used their ATVs to move logs, and one used his to stack. So yeah, it can be done, but it isn't the easiest way, and it may not work on your site. I see you're concerned about the impact of heavy equipment in the woods- it can be done low impact if you're careful with the right tools. But, a team of draft horses is another option- you might have a horse logger in your area.

A book that you may consider checking out to help give you ideas is 'Moving Heavy Things':
http://www.amazon.com/Moving-Heavy-Things-Jan-Adkins/dp/0937822825

Don't get too far ahead of yourself in getting material and tools, some things you think you might need, after class you may realize were a waste of money.

By the way, your English is better than my French, haha!

[Francis]

Thanks you for this great advice!

The majority of builders buy theirs trees? They dont cut on their land?

[jrdavis]

Well, for us int he midwest states (Iowa/Nebraska/South Dakota) Trees are pretty hard to come by for the most part that are big enough, straight enough and on saleable land.
So we HAVE to resort to purchasing the logs.
It would be nice to have that kind of land, but I'm hoping for the NEXT house to be able to move/purchase land with harvestable trees.
Maybe Missouri, colorado or WYOMING!!!!!! yeah. the FREE STATE. :)
JD
ps. I'd go with a logarch if ALL I had was an ATV..... but I just bought a 20 Ton crane :cool:

[Francis]

Ok, sometime im suprise when i see some one wrote their have 10 acres of forest and not sure to be able to have enough trees...

On my 3 acres land, i have more than 100 trees, enough straight, enough big (for me 16" to 14") to build...

Can i know why in the classe they dont recommend to take our own trees?

[Timberwolf]

It's not that they don't recommend you use your own trees, it's that they don't recommend you do your own LOGGING, since it's rated as the second most dangerous profession in the world.

BTW, you are really lucky to have that many useable trees on your property. I have 120 acres, and don't have enough usable trees to build a garage.

[Francis]

Wow 120 Acres its a big land... Not enough trees on it :(

What did you think about Spruce tree for building log home?

Thanks for the answer!

[Timberwolf]

Use what ya got!

[Francis]

Yeah i know...

Its just to have an objective view about this kind of trees.

I love to learn... but i can't for the moment attend to the class. It's why i ask all this questions...

Im working on lots of IT open source project and for me the information is free and shareable with any one who want to know...It's not an elitist things.

Much people seem to be in position where they can't helps (Not because they dont want) other forum members.

Multiple answers on the forum is "Go to the classe you will know.."

For me log home is a passion since im an young kids.

I wish all log home lover can share their idea and help others with theirs project...

[jrdavis]

Francis,

Just don't take it "personally". Everyone is friendly enough..... but read every post on the forum that you can and many quesitons will be answered.
I have 7 kids, ages 25 to 7. The ones in thier 20's understand what is means ' you won't understand ' or ' it will make sense to you soon enough', But the young ones just need simple answers with "more info to follow".

If you are an open-source UNIX guy, think of it like VI. you only need a few commands to get you going.... taking a class or spending time with an expert... will propel your knowledge.
that's why you get the "take the class" mantra from many.

Please enjoy the fourm, just don't take the mantra personally.
and welcome.
JD

[Francis]

I dont take it personnaly...

But you know in Unix, if i only know couple of command in VI i can read the Manual for free and i can go into some forum and ask for help...

If i have the cash, for sure , i will be the first to register to this class.
But for the moments with the kids its rough to paid 2000$ for plane, hotel, foods, classes..

It's why i will continu to read some free advisory on the "general" forum

thanks and have a nice day

[edkemper]

Francis,

First, welcome to the forum. If you have limited money, this is the place to be. Most of us are in a similar boat.

Logging your own logs? Remember, there are no arguments that the 2 most dangerous professions are logging and commercial fishing.

That said, logs are one of the most costly single items for this type of build. So you're ahead of the curve even if you hire a professional to cut them down.

You can't really learn the basics from a book. The class is the most important part of this process. If you could, the kit industry would be the best and cheapest place to be. Looking at the data on the subject, they fall far short on both fronts and they aren't any better than a stick built home, if that good.

Remember, the only fee this organization charges is for the class.

Hang in there and plan on taking the class when time and money is right. While you wait, read every post you can. Most of the members spent the time doing that before we took the class. That and the pictures of member built homes is what convinced each of us to take the class.

I'm glad you're here with us.