building a 10X10 hunting cabin

[Mitchell]

I am very new to this so please forgive the silly questions. I've watched a lot of youtube videos and am not quite sure what to do at this point.
I was originally going to try the butt and pass method and using rebar to hold it all together. With my electric drill i'd drill a pilot hole and then drive the the 1/2" rebar down through the two logs to hold them in place. Repeat every three feet or so. The pieces of rebar would be 16". Is that going to be to difficult to accomplish you think?

The other option was to notch out the logs. If I used this method, my question is do both sides of each log get notched at the end? In the half moon/cup fashion? I would assume both sides of the end of each log got notched so that way the main length of the log would rest on the log above or below it, minimizing gaps....correct?

[rreidnauer]

First question, you should be fine. And watch this for the second question: http://youtu.be/3YzalwBcPck?t=21s

[StressMan79]

1 the class recommends spacing, etc.
2 you aren't doing "butt and pass" if you're notching at all.

Take the class, you'll be glad you did.

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[Mitchell]

I guess I wasn't making my notches deep enough? I've seen Dick P's video before just never really realized how deep he notched his logs. My wife was trying to tell me when I was practicing the other day that I needed to notch BOTH the top and bottom of the log. I disagreed. Dick just notches the bottom of each log. Now if I can just make my notches square with each other i'll be in business lol

[rreidnauer]

Your wife has seen too many Lincoln Log toy sets. :)

[stamic55]

#2, i think you'd want the half moon on the bottom so water would run off better.

[StressMan79]

1 the class recommends spacing, etc.
2 you aren't doing "butt and pass" if you're notching at all.

Take the class, you'll be glad you did.

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[rocklock]

I was originally going to try the butt and pass method and using rebar to hold it all together. With my electric drill i'd drill a pilot hole and then drive the the 1/2" rebar down through the two logs to hold them in place. Repeat every three feet or so. The pieces of rebar would be 16". Is that going to be to difficult to accomplish you think?

Don't try notching your logs, you will not be that skilful until you have notched one hundred... I built a 10 by 12 shed to protect my well. My only suggestion is to look at the student built homes. There are quite a few that show construction. Do not scrimp on the steel or the foundation. Insure your roof overhang is twice as big as you think it should be. Good luck.

[srowson77]

You mention a class. I'm new here and wondering what class you are referring to? Thanks!

[loghousenut]

You mention a class. I'm new here and wondering what class you are referring to? Thanks!

The world renown, 2 day log homebuilding class at http://www.buildloghomes.org/

Take the two day class and you will become a lifetime member in the Log Home Builders Association (LHBA). Once you have taken the class you will gain access to the "members only" side of this forum and that's where the real fun begins.

I took the class in 1981 and have been loving it ever since.





PS... Don't take the class unless you are serious about building your own log home with your own two hands.






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[eduncan911]

Actually, I'd say take the class if you are considering having someone build your "kit" log home, or even building one yourself. The equation to justify that statement is:

If price of said kit home + GC + shipping + labor + appliances, etc, etc > $100,000 or more, take the class and, well frankly, you'll kick yourself for even considering such absurd ideas such as that equation.

Even if you never build a log home yourself, the knowledge you get in this class you'll carry for the rest of your life. You'll eyeball stick frame homes. You'll take 5 seconds looking at any log home and recognize if that home will rot in 20 years, or 200 years (a properly-built LHBA-style is the latter). You'll also know by looking at those log homes if you'll be hanging off the side every 5 years to "maintain" it (or pay someone $$$ to do it), or not (LHBA shows techniques for little to no maintenance of those logs for life - retirement!).

But even with this knowledge though, there's no reason you can't disappear into the woods by yourself and end up with a 1400+ sq ft built-to-code home after a few months of yourself.

[BoFuller]

Actually, I'd say take the class if you are considering having someone build your "kit" log home, or even building one yourself. The equation to justify that statement is:

If price of said kit home + GC + shipping + labor + appliances, etc, etc > $100,000 or more, take the class and, well frankly, you'll kick yourself for even considering such absurd ideas such as that equation.

Even if you never build a log home yourself, the knowledge you get in this class you'll carry for the rest of your life. You'll eyeball stick frame homes. You'll take 5 seconds looking at any log home and recognize if that home will rot in 20 years, or 200 years (a properly-built LHBA-style is the latter). You'll also know by looking at those log homes if you'll be hanging off the side every 5 years to "maintain" it (or pay someone $$$ to do it), or not (LHBA shows techniques for little to no maintenance of those logs for life - retirement!).

But even with this knowledge though, there's no reason you can't disappear into the woods by yourself and end up with a 1400+ sq ft built-to-code home after a few months of yourself.

Yes. What he just said times 2.

[ivanshayka]

I built a 10 x 10 with roof overhang, here is a pic. This pic is from last year, the shed is chinked and has a deck.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/ivanshayka/Log%20Home%20-%20Practice%20Shed/IMAG0612.jpg (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/ivanshayka/media/Log%20Home%20-%20Practice%20Shed/IMAG0612.jpg.html)

[ivanshayka]

I'd say take the class, and build yourself a decent cabin. If I was u, I'd do 24x24 with a loft. If u don't want to deal with permit, do a 14x14 or 12x16. Something like that. If I had to do it again, I would not do anything different, maybe to take the class earlier.

[mountainguide]

Do you have a recent picture with the chinking done? Would love to see it

[Little Eagle]

That is very nice, looks good. need to let us see what it looks like now so some of us can drool some more!

[eagle]

Ivan, what did you do for the foundation on that?

[hotshotrucking]

thanks for the post and the great picture, who wouldn't want a cabin in the woods like that?

[ivanshayka]

This is from today
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[loghousenut]

I sure enjoy seeing what kind of junk of junk other people save as soon as they have a little space on a porch.

[donjuedo]

Looks good, nice and chinked. I think that's the first time I have seen it really complete.

[wannabuild]

looks like some one is getting ready to start up an autobody repair facility :rolleyes:

[hotshotrucking]

Having a cabin like that would also be a great tool shed or place to bunk up as you build, I'm lucky enough to have a barn and enclosed hunting cabin that I'll use for storage or inside projects on not so nice days. Out in the country most don't lock up as it will only be more damage to fix after they knock down a locked door to get to whats inside. Great cabin pictures!

[Mosseyme]

More damage for sure but most insurance won't pay if it is not under lock. When our horse trailer was stolen, [had been parked in the same place for 8 years right by our driveway 100' from the road and in a very difficult steep curve of the driveway] homeowners said not padlocked to something, not covered.

[Little Eagle]

Ok so until i go to class this is all i have so far!
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[Little Eagle]

Ok so until i go to class this is all i have so far!
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[eduncan911]

Ah, the LHBA will tweak that design just a little. But yeah, that's close.

[Little Eagle]

Ah, the LHBA will tweak that design just a little. But yeah, that's close.

I was hoping it would be slightly close. Cant wait to go to class, so i can look over the design again. I have a floor plan lay out i was thinking about as well but i may rethink all of it when i get back from class.

[loghousenut]

It'sa heluvalot closer than any of my Pre-Skip plans were. I think you have been taking note while you was lurking.

[eduncan911]

Floorplans are a safe bet that they will change drastically... That is, if you want to KISS it (Keep It Simple [Silly]) like what is taught in class.

For example, you can have any floor plan you want in a LHBA design. But, the tips they give in class can make a difference if your plumbing is $500, or $5,000+.

[Little Eagle]

It'sa heluvalot closer than any of my Pre-Skip plans were. I think you have been taking note while you was lurking.

I do ALOT of research when i have down time to be honest LHN. And i can learn alot from a picture until i get hands on exp. And i do i admit i have been lurking a little bit and looking at ideas! :p

[Little Eagle]

Floorplans are a safe bet that they will change drastically... That is, if you want to KISS it (Keep It Simple [Silly]) like what is taught in class.

For example, you can have any floor plan you want in a LHBA design. But, the tips they give in class can make a difference if your plumbing is $500, or $5,000+.

That's one of the areas i have actually been looking forward to is plumbing Eric. One of my least knowledgeable areas, the second is electric. I grew up a jack of all trades, lumber yard work, framing, insulation, and a little sheet rock work. But not really any plumbing and electric.

[Little Eagle]

So ill go ahead and put this out there for every one to give me hints on till class.

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[Little Eagle]

And do i have my idea right that code for roof pitch is 3" height to each 1' of distance?

[StressMan79]

3"in 1 ft is what is called 3/12 pitch roof. I think you can build a flat roof as far as code... for shingles you'll want > 4/12. I think metal too. 6/12 is common. Steeper is possible, but more difficult (6 /12 is about as steep as you can stand on w/o roof jacks.)

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[loghousenut]

Eagle, I keep liking everything you do. Just for the sake of mindwidening, why not try three things and see where it goes.

1... Wherever it says 40', change that to 35' and refigure accordingly all other figures.

2... Try swapping the bedroom and bathroom.

3... Try swapping the kitchen and dining room.

4... If there is going to be a second floor bathroom, position it directly over the lower one.

[oldtrapper]

Eagle, I keep liking everything you do. Just for the sake of mindwidening, why not try three things and see where it goes.

1... Wherever it says 40', change that to 35' and refigure accordingly all other figures.

2... Try swapping the bedroom and bathroom.

3... Try swapping the kitchen and dining room.

4... If there is going to be a second floor bathroom, position it directly over the lower one.


Good stuff, there. ;-{>8

[rckclmbr428]

Smaller is almost always better

[Blondie]

Rckclmbr428,

Someone who has raised three children to adulthood in slightly less than 700 square feet will take exception to that statement.

Blondie

[NorthMan]

Stuck at LAS for 6 more hours . . .been here since 2100 PST . . . FML

[rckclmbr428]

Rckclmbr428,

Someone who has raised three children to adulthood in slightly less than 700 square feet will take exception to that statement.

Blondie

There was a time you would have been the envy of the neighborhood with such a spacious house to raise such a small family.....

[Blondie]

I know, I know. It is all relative. But it doesn't help my claustrophobia. What is good for you doesn't mean it is good for me.


What is a guy with Arnold Frieburg heroic dimensions doing with with Lilliputian OCD?

Blondie

[rckclmbr428]

I know, I know. It is all relative. But it doesn't help my claustrophobia. What is good for you doesn't mean it is good for me.


What is a guy with Arnold Frieburg heroic dimensions doing with with Lilliputian OCD?

Blondie
Thems a lot of city folk words I don't understand...

[Blondie]

Don't pull my leg!

Blondie

[Blondie]

Oh Dear, because of the generational non overlap you may not know Freiburg.......Google him. You are a "Nephi" look alike.

Blondie

[rckclmbr428]

I always fancied myself more of a Washington at Valley Forge mixed with a bit of Shrek kind of guy....

[Blondie]

Definitely an Arnold Freiburg "heroic" image.

Blonde

From whence comes the tiny OCD?

[Little Eagle]

3"in 1 ft is what is called 3/12 pitch roof. I think you can build a flat roof as far as code... for shingles you'll want > 4/12. I think metal too. 6/12 is common. Steeper is possible, but more difficult (6 /12 is about as steep as you can stand on w/o roof jacks.)

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Ah ok thank you very much Stress! Ill change that on my plans, and i am going to go steel for sure.

[Little Eagle]

Eagle, I keep liking everything you do. Just for the sake of mindwidening, why not try three things and see where it goes.

1... Wherever it says 40', change that to 35' and refigure accordingly all other figures.

2... Try swapping the bedroom and bathroom.

3... Try swapping the kitchen and dining room.

4... If there is going to be a second floor bathroom, position it directly over the lower one.

Okie dokie LHN, and yeah the 11'X16' section of the loft plan was going to be a bathroom thats why i had the bootom bath where it is. kitchen under the loft i was worried you would not have enough light, i am a natural light kinda guy i guess. but ill play with the idea and see where it takes me!

[Little Eagle]

Oh and LHN, one more question, why 35 and not 40 for the sake of curiosity? I was playing with round numbers i suppose, but now you have me wondering.

[StressMan79]

Cheaper, easier to build/ maintain.. you can more easily get logs & rafters...

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[loghousenut]

Oh and LHN, one more question, why 35 and not 40 for the sake of curiosity? I was playing with round numbers i suppose, but now you have me wondering.


I misprinted that one... I meant to say 34 or 36, nice square numbers. If I told you why 34 or 36 works better than 40, you'd think I was pulling your leg. Just work with it in the back of your head for now and they'll make it all make sense to you at around noon on the second day of class. Trust me on this one. Mine is 36x36.

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[Little Eagle]

I misprinted that one... I meant to say 34 or 36, nice square numbers. If I told you why 34 or 36 works better than 40, you'd think I was pulling your leg. Just work with it in the back of your head for now and they'll make it all make sense to you at around noon on the second day of class. Trust me on this one. Mine is 36x36.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/loghousenut/P1020014_zps7b4b37f8.jpg (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/loghousenut/media/P1020014_zps7b4b37f8.jpg.html)

Alrighty then, ill play with 34 and 36 just to bounce it around some!

[Little Eagle]

Cheaper, easier to build/ maintain.. you can more easily get logs & rafters...

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That is roughly what i thought you would say, and what i was talking to my other half about.

[rreidnauer]

I think only dimensions using prime numbers would be best.






:rolleyes:

[StressMan79]

And there aught to be a pi somewhere.

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[marronnin]

Mmmmm pie!

http://cdn.instructables.com/F63/MW5Y/GL4Z4SY3/F63MW5YGL4Z4SY3.MEDIUM.jpg

[Little Eagle]

Mmmmm pie!

http://cdn.instructables.com/F63/MW5Y/GL4Z4SY3/F63MW5YGL4Z4SY3.MEDIUM.jpg

Wow that looks awesome!

[loghousenut]

That's really nice, but them Southern engineer-types they say that Pie are square.

[rreidnauer]

Wouldn't it have to be pecan pi in the South?

[sdart]

That's really nice, but them Southern engineer-types they say that Pie are square.

Or possible Two Pie Are...

[Little Eagle]

Wouldn't it have to be pecan pi in the South?

Dont have to be, it can be apple too! But your know your in the south when it aint a pie at all and its peach cobbler!

[BoFuller]

That's really nice, but them Southern engineer-types they say that Pie are square.

With the new math they are teaching, I think that would be considered square.