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    Larry, you got me on the

    Larry, you got me on the hunt again. An inverter is one of the items I still don't have in my ever growing collection of RE equipment. I came across one that would be good for both you and myself, since it can function grid-tied or independent. In addition, it's true sign wave 120/240v split phase, and "stackable", so it can be tied right into your home's service. It's the Xantrex XW6048. It is a 48v inverter, rated 6000 watts. (25A @ 240v, 50A @ 120v) They start at around $3000 a piece.

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    Mother Nature bats last

    There are lots of different beliefs flying around about if-and-when-and- how the SHTF..from poets to NA tribal prophecy.

    The year 2012 seems to come up quite a bit.

    It doesn't take much to knock out ALL types of power. (effects of nuclear bombs, nuke accidents, planatary collision). Anything electrically driven will be wiped out..cars planes, trains, computers, air waves (radio, TV, WIFI, etc).

    Lets face it. This world is a mess. She could use a good cleansing... and IMO the only way that can happen is for us humans to leave her alone for awhile.

    ..as my Granny used to say: "Mother Nature bats last".

    Kola

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kola
    The year 2012 seems to come up quite a bit.
    Yeah I heard all computers are supposed to have some kind of math error that's going to bring down our entire banking system because they wernt programmed to go past 1999 or something like that.

    Oh no wait, that's not it.... I'm thinking Y2K bug ;)

    So 2012 is the Mayan prophecy about the end of civilization? But wait, the Mayan civilization collapsed sometime around 750-900 AD ... so they goofed that one up too. ;)

    End of the world is far too optimistic for me. I'm expecting many hundreds of years enslaved by that .05% of the population that controls everything. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires_%282008%29
    What does one human need 62 billion dollars for anyway?

    Kola, you're right though that Mother Nature will kick back at some point. I expect that to mainly hurt poor people of course, but what's new.

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    62 Billion.

    Why to give it away of course.

    Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are the worlds to biggest phlanthropists. Warren had pledged to Bill that he will donate the majority of his fortune to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation so they can continue their work.

    Bill must be trying to avoid purgatory for Windows ME... oh and Vista, DOS, um Windows 2.0, Windows 3.0...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberwolf
    Why to give it away of course.

    Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are the worlds to biggest phlanthropists. Warren had pledged to Bill that he will donate the majority of his fortune to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation so they can continue their work.

    Bill must be trying to avoid purgatory for Windows ME... oh and Vista, DOS, um Windows 2.0, Windows 3.0...
    Yeah Buffet is one of my favorite uber rich people. He's got some really great quotes that I refer to often... like the fact that he pays 15% in taxes but his secretary pays 33% every though she makes a fraction of what he makes.

    Buffet does a great job at pointing out the extreme disparity in the distrobution of wealth in this country.

    Another of my favorite quotes of his is: "Class warfare? Heck yes we have class warfare. My class is winning!"

    He's also a big fan of the estate tax.

    I could go on but I've derailed this thread enough I think. :)

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    Buffet et al

    I'd really like to caution everyone against class warfare. It seldom does what people think it will.

    Who cares how much money someone has? If they made it ethically why should we fault them for it? Someone having riches does not automatically mean they are stealing from the poor.

    More often than not class warfare is a tool of the political class to expand their power. When enough people advocate a rebalancing of money, the government passes more laws.



    Quote Originally Posted by Yuhjn
    Yeah Buffet is one of my favorite uber rich people. He's got some really great quotes that I refer to often... like the fact that he pays 15% in taxes but his secretary pays 33% every though she makes a fraction of what he makes.
    I've always thought the problem with this fact was that his secretary is paying too much in taxes. Are you advocating we increase taxes?


    Quote Originally Posted by Yuhjn
    Buffet does a great job at pointing out the extreme disparity in the distrobution of wealth in this country.
    Big deal. Why should everyone be about equal? Again, if someone has made their wealth through having an extremely valuable talent, and not theft, why can't they profit from it?

    Shouldn't people who are smart, industrious, and hard working naturally have a lot more money than some lazy slug who wants to watch TV all day?


    Quote Originally Posted by Yuhjn
    Another of my favorite quotes of his is: "Class warfare? Heck yes we have class warfare. My class is winning!"
    This quote is absolutely meaningless and a non-sequitur. Does being rich mean you've won the "class war?" This is a catchy sound bite and only holds meaning to people fully on the rich-envy/wealth redistribution side.


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    He's also a big fan of the estate tax.
    Well, the man is a Socialist. What do you expect? Someone please tell me why the government gets to keep your money when you die?

    Buffet is a hypocrite. He supports the estate tax while giving his money to the charity of his choice. No one else gets to make the choice, Buffet wants to make it for them. Remember, the estate tax goes to the government, yet Buffet won't give his to Uncle Sam. Think about that.

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    OPM

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuhjn
    What does one human need 62 billion dollars for anyway?
    I don't mean to pick on Yuhjn, but I have to comment on this statement, too.

    Who are we to determine how much money one person can have? By what standard, that is not arbitrary, are we to make this distinction?

    I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'd just like to have a healthy conversation about this.


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    Off topic

    Off topic.? I'll lock this thread for today, then prune the off topic posts and reopen it.

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