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    NIAC Surviving a Catastrophic Power Outage Dec. 2018

    I thought there might be some value in calling attention to the DHS recent report: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...08%20FINAL.pdf
    I try, as much as possible, to not rely on the government for things crucial to my well being but I do tend to take notice when they take the time to inform the peons of a threat. It might be wise to think through your options when planning your build.
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    One of my fears as well, misplayed.

    - We are looking to put in a root cellar- right under our kitchen floor.
    - Also looking at greenhouse designs
    - either I'm getting a condensation induced water distiller ("waterseer") or I'm making one. Waiting on the waterseer folks to get back from their new year holiday, I guess.

    The one thing I haven't figure out is refrigeration. And I'm not an expert on preserving meat, so learning one of those things is on my list. An EMP would probably destroy electronics, so unless I had a backup solar system stored in my faraday cage, I'd be out of luck. Refrigeration was one of the main things we missed during the week-long power outage we had here a few years back.

    My cabin in Idaho was just down the street from Paris Ice caves. Pioneers used to get ice from these caves even in the summer- there's ice there year round. Here in the south, the ice is only lasts until the sun comes up, so I'll have to think about this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudflap View Post
    One of my fears as well, misplayed.

    - We are looking to put in a root cellar- right under our kitchen floor.
    - Also looking at greenhouse designs
    - either I'm getting a condensation induced water distiller ("waterseer") or I'm making one. Waiting on the waterseer folks to get back from their new year holiday, I guess.

    The one thing I haven't figure out is refrigeration. And I'm not an expert on preserving meat, so learning one of those things is on my list. An EMP would probably destroy electronics, so unless I had a backup solar system stored in my faraday cage, I'd be out of luck. Refrigeration was one of the main things we missed during the week-long power outage we had here a few years back.

    My cabin in Idaho was just down the street from Paris Ice caves. Pioneers used to get ice from these caves even in the summer- there's ice there year round. Here in the south, the ice is only lasts until the sun comes up, so I'll have to think about this one.
    Built a trial greenhouse. Just wanted to see if the proof of concept was viable. Went to my sister's for Thanksgiving several years ago. Took fresh vegetables.
    "Where'd you get those?" (The quality was obvious).
    "From our place."
    "When???"
    "I picked them about an hour ago."
    220' of floor = 65% of the food for one person (no, 297' of greenhouse floor won't provide 100% of the food for one person). Angle iron running the length of the greenhouse. A beam has skateboard trucks riding on the angle iron. The beam has a sled that rides on the beam, and the planter, grower, harvester lies of the sled. Use double pane sliding door glass for the top. The greenhouse has concrete walls that are 6' into the ground. Put an electric fence around the greenhouse to keep the deer from crashing through.

    A freezer/ref'r is also pretty simple. Mostly just mass and insulation. The rest is just minor details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChainsawGrandpa View Post
    Built a trial greenhouse. Just wanted to see if the proof of concept was viable. Went to my sister's for Thanksgiving several years ago. Took fresh vegetables.
    "Where'd you get those?" (The quality was obvious).
    "From our place."
    "When???"
    "I picked them about an hour ago."
    220' of floor = 65% of the food for one person (no, 297' of greenhouse floor won't provide 100% of the food for one person). Angle iron running the length of the greenhouse. A beam has skateboard trucks riding on the angle iron. The beam has a sled that rides on the beam, and the planter, grower, harvester lies of the sled. Use double pane sliding door glass for the top. The greenhouse has concrete walls that are 6' into the ground. Put an electric fence around the greenhouse to keep the deer from crashing through.

    A freezer/ref'r is also pretty simple. Mostly just mass and insulation. The rest is just minor details.
    Any pics of the greenhouse? Inside and out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChainsawGrandpa View Post
    Built a trial greenhouse. Just wanted to see if the proof of concept was viable. Went to my sister's for Thanksgiving several years ago. Took fresh vegetables.
    "Where'd you get those?" (The quality was obvious).
    "From our place."
    "When???"
    "I picked them about an hour ago."
    220' of floor = 65% of the food for one person (no, 297' of greenhouse floor won't provide 100% of the food for one person). Angle iron running the length of the greenhouse. A beam has skateboard trucks riding on the angle iron. The beam has a sled that rides on the beam, and the planter, grower, harvester lies of the sled. Use double pane sliding door glass for the top. The greenhouse has concrete walls that are 6' into the ground. Put an electric fence around the greenhouse to keep the deer from crashing through.

    A freezer/ref'r is also pretty simple. Mostly just mass and insulation. The rest is just minor details.
    Sounds pretty amazing!

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    salt+smoke will cure most meats for a loooong time
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    Quote Originally Posted by rckclmbr428 View Post
    salt+smoke will cure most meats for a loooong time
    Yeah, I'd like to get proficient at processing all kinds of meat. I've got chickens, catfish, and other fish down. Don't know anything about squirrels, rabbits, deer, etc. My neighbor runs a deer processing business in his backyard- he's a retired butcher. He says during the busy season, he'll process hundreds of deer in a season. Says I can come over anytime and he'll let me volunteer for a day.

    No one at our house is on any meds, so that's a big plus if there's a major outage.
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    One thing I do stock up on is amoxicillin, it can be bought otc for fish or birds online. Same thing you get from the pharmacy. Pneumonia doesn't kill people anymore because they have access to antibiotics. Take access to them away and people will start dying a lot more
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    We can tons of fruits and vegetables - enough to last a long time. We haven’t had meat for a long time, so refrigeration isn’t a make or break deal with us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mudflap View Post
    The one thing I haven't figure out is refrigeration.
    You don't have to figure out anything new. A spring house is what you need. Pick-up a used copy of Foxfire 4. https://www.amazon.com/Foxfire-Tradi.../dp/0385120877

    “We asked Harry if he likes a refrigerator more than his springhouse. He favored the springhouse. “You can keep things in here [the springhouse] for about five days. We've put our milk in here, and gone off and visited three or four days and come back, and the milk would still be sweet.”

    “Harry mentioned another advantage: “If you keep your stuff sealed up in a frigidaire and you put fish or something like that there, everything you've got will taste like fish. But in a springhouse, you see, the air's not compact and that don't happen. And the temperature wouldn't vary ten degrees.”

    “In the top of the springhouse is an air vent that measures about ten by twelve inches. “That gives it air. See, if I had it closed up in here, it would be like a refrigerator. It would condense and begin to get thick, You'd have dead air in here like a refrigerator. You ain't got much space in a refrigerator and the same old air stagnates, while here in a springhouse, it circulates. And if weren't for that vent, there'd be water dripping in here all day.”


    There's tons on free books/manuals out there. I've downloaded most of mine but here's a few links to get you started:
    https://www.offthegridnews.com/off-g...refrigeration/
    https://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/misc/...lp_112360_.pdf
    Drying overview: http://www.cals.uidaho.edu/edcomm/pdf/PNW/PNW0397.pdf
    Farm Food Preservation 1918: https://books.google.com/books?id=_s...page&q&f=false
    Cured, Smoked & Fermented Meats: https://books.google.com/books?id=OT...202004&f=false
    Dehydrating 1920: https://archive.org/details/dehydrat...20andr/page/n7
    Biltong maker plans: https://www.popularmechanics.co.za/h...cut-and-dried/
    PDF honeypot: http://www.armageddononline.org/PDF/


    And a few solar links as well:
    Sun angle: https://susdesign.com/sunangle/
    Power pack used by ham in Puerto Rico disaster: https://www.bioennopower.com/collect...-pack-bpp-m400
    Whole house: https://www.sol-ark.com/reviews/
    Portable gen: https://inergytek.com/
    Simple pump: https://www.simplepump.com/
    Solar food drying: https://www.aee-intec.at/0uploads/dateien553.pdf
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