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    I'm drooling over all the logging trucks you'll see driving by. Write down phone numbers. You'll find truckers who'll take cash for an extra load of big ones at the end of their day
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYcabinplannin View Post
    I'm drooling over all the logging trucks you'll see driving by. Write down phone numbers. You'll find truckers who'll take cash for an extra load of big ones at the end of their day
    Zap me anytime I'll come up and we'll fish
    Fletch

    Thans a million WNYcabinplannin! Next time I'm up in Florence (that's where the land is) I'm planning on doing some much needed sniffing around town, etc..

    Although the snow is epic up there, I am surprised there's not more folks on this board that are seriously considering upstate NY for land purchase..Perhaps there are more folks on these boards, I guess I'm just not seeing them...land is beautiful, resources are plentiful, I spoke to the building codes guy today and things are pretty relaxed, and the land is priced really well..I paid just under 22k for 8.6 acres.

    Take care, and I will reach out to you sometime down the road on the fishing! We're about 10 minutes from the Salmon River Res.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanBlue View Post
    ......I am surprised there's not more folks on this board that are seriously considering upstate NY for land purchase..Perhaps there are more folks on these boards, I guess I'm just not seeing them....
    NY SAFE Act might be one good reason. Modeled after CA law, but made even more oppressive, so for a generalized group of folks who seem to value liberty, self-sufficiency, and non-interference, it may be too much freedom to throw away.
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    Agree with Rod on the SAFE Act. Also, aren't taxes pretty high once you put a house on your land? Having said that, I still search for NY land on a regular basis, with an Adirondack dream still in my mind.

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    I have a C&R license, and the weekend we closed on the land, we camped out..I set up a "rough" shooting range on the property and went hog wild with my antique Russian SKS, my mosins, my 1940 K98, and our 38 revolver..hog wild..set up 50 feet away from any neighbor's home (which there aren't any, and if you get permission to shoot closer to the neighbors house, you can shoot as close as you wish) although the fellow that bought the 8 acres next to me (according to my land agent) has a gun collection to die for..So it certainly meets my needs..The reason I like the idea of building a hand made rustic log home, speaks to the reason I'm not impressionable by these plastic, modern powder puff AR-15 "mega mag" lets play GI Joe tactical weapons....If I can not hold off an oppressive person or a group of aggressive folks with a 10 round sks along with bolt action Mosins or K98s, then the problems are so severe, that anyone trying to defend their homestead with any legal small arms anywhere in this country is in serious trouble, and is going to lose that fight...quickly.....I don't believe one can legally own a tank in this country that shoots live shells or a surface to ground missile system ......I'm into old school hand tools and iron sights. Speaking on taxes, the current annual taxes on the land are $700 per year.....Once I build the house, as long as I'm under 2,000 or 3,000 sq feet, I'll still be at less than 2k per year, so I don't understand the reasoning on high taxes...I certainly wish I was only paying $300 per year, but it is what it is....I could buy 40 acres of land in many parts of the country for $1,000 per acre, but there's no water..no forrest...now THAT'S an issue for me....I would simply advise folks do their homework..upstate NY and/or The Adirondack region of this state is not Manhattan..it's practically a different country altogether....Who ever thought a boy from Kentucky would be such an ambassador for the state of New York! Go figure!

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    Had my C&R until the last administration change, and ATF started breaking their own laws. I have many of the firearms you mention, as well as a bunch more old west antiques. I have one project, an old antique military weapon, British Sten that would be a 'no fly' up there. But I do like some of the modern stuff too, with another project going through SBR approval process. (not sure if I could do that either) But the point of bringing up SAFE Act is not whether one can get a job done with 10 (or 7) shots, but rather whether individuals are giving up rights and freedoms. And that one example is just a sample of a trend.

    Oh, yes, taxes would be my #2 reason. (my taxes are <$50/yr and will be ~$600/yr with the house complete) Taxes reflect trend. More government involvement, (some would argue interference) equals more taxes, so again that's a one-two punch for me.

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    The SAFE Act is only here for a year or so. The excuses people use to slam NY have been around forever. Guns don't make us free in New York. Elections make us the government we want. No one is lurking at my property looking to see what guns I have and next week I get to vote anyway.

    Sometimes I'm glad people go ahead and believe myths and rumors about NY. I prefer to see people around me who love it here and want to stay. I wish all the unhappy people would move south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rreidnauer View Post
    Had my C&R until the last administration change, and ATF started breaking their own laws. I have many of the firearms you mention, as well as a bunch more old west antiques. I have one project, an old antique military weapon, British Sten that would be a 'no fly' up there. But I do like some of the modern stuff too, with another project going through SBR approval process. (not sure if I could do that either) But the point of bringing up SAFE Act is not whether one can get a job done with 10 (or 7) shots, but rather whether individuals are giving up rights and freedoms. And that one example is just a sample of a trend.

    Oh, yes, taxes would be my #2 reason. (my taxes are <$50/yr and will be ~$600/yr with the house complete) Taxes reflect trend. More government involvement, (some would argue interference) equals more taxes, so again that's a one-two punch for me.

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    The problem with trends in our Union (The whole US) is they seem to trickle into other states..sometimes quickly..some times slowly..look at casino gambling in the US in 1990, and now look at it. There were States 20 years ago that would NEVER have allowed casino gaming within the State..Absolutely never happen!!! Now it's the rule not the exception in almost every State....amazing how that works isn't it? Same will hold true with taxes, gun legislation, etc., etc...perhaps a few rough n' ready Western/Northwestern states will hold out the longest, and end up in the best "freedoms intact" position 30 years from now, but only few. I spoke with the tax assessor for my county, and for what we want to build on the land, our tax bill will be around $1,400.00 per year..I can live with that with no heartburn at all..especially since thousands of fishermen, hunters and snowmobile fun seekers are currently paying on average $140 per night to rent cabins..so I do plan to rent the cabin out the equivelent of 2 to 3 weeks collectively per year...

    We currently live in the Lehigh Valley region of Pennsylvania and the snow was no joke this last season..snow happens, so I'll just prepare appropriately...The resources I plan to keep on the property in NY will certainly help manage the epic snow when it's bad up there, and folks have lived in this region for 200 years, so....the snow can clearly be managed..it's called living in the outdoors!

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    Agreed spiralsands..too many people are impressionable by the Fox Comedy Show...I love turning that station on for a laugh sometimes..I'm not kidding...Listen, County road 70 that runs in front of my property in Florence NY (and all the other county roads around Camden, and the Tug Hill region) are absolutely BEAUTIFUL! The counties up here clearly appropriate the tax money to keep the place beautiful and the roads perfect...As much as I hate to say it being a Souther boy, the rural highways and forest areas in Tennessee and Kentucky are dirty with pot holes, nothing is manicured, etc...it's a shame...The Tug Hill region looks straight out of a story book..it completly surprised me as I had my own idiotic impressions of what the "country" would be like in upstate NY...boy was I ever wrong!

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    I can't believe I forgot to mention the number 1 reason I even started looking for land in upstate NY in the first place!

    Two Words: MARCELLUS SHALE.

    As we live in PA, I naturally started looking in the Poconos/Jim Thorpe area (not really the kind of sprawling, old growth forrest land available like I wanted, not many 6 plus acre plots available, and a good amount of the land is located in those cheesy communities with fees, and way overcrowded really..never found one piece of land for sale with running stream or brook) then I started looking in Western PA..I call it "Deer Hunter the Movie" region, then West Virginia and at some point it dawned on me that all of these areas are smack dab in the middle of the Marcellus Shale sweet spot....no thank you!

    Regardless if I owned the mineral rights to the land or not ( I would not purchase any land without these rights..period.) and I don't think the fracking is all that dangerous (except for the unnatural earthquakes and sink holes it's caused in parts of North Texas & Oklahoma) I don't want any of that drama anywhere near my homestead, Although I am glad we have these natural resources under our feet in the event of a crisis...

    Here's the deal. If the geological surveys show shale on your land, the powers that be will get it if they desire...especially these counties where people are paying $100 per year in property taxes...that game will change real quick because manicipalaties need revenue and it's just going to get worse..and they will get that revenue by hook or by crook. The stat or county will call it a "National Security" issue and then you are cooked!

    Doesn't matter what your deed says...doesn't matter what "freedoms" one might think they have in a certain state..either they will rewrite legislation in the middle of the night, or they will grab the resources by drilling sideways...sure, perhaps they will pay you handsomely for the right if one is lucky, but it's not for me...Of course what I'm describing is a big if..but I'm simply not one to take this even remote risk with my future..

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